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Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.



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KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

I don't know about MLB but licences seem important on football games at least. Would be a desperate move imo and bad for fans of the series.



KiigelHeart said:
KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

I don't know about MLB but licences seem important on football games at least. Would be a desperate move imo and bad for fans of the series.

Well if they are losing control over their own IP,  it just seems like thats one way to go. It would still have the same gameplay. But again, I dont know how much fans care about it.



KLXVER said:
KiigelHeart said:

I don't know about MLB but licences seem important on football games at least. Would be a desperate move imo and bad for fans of the series.

Well if they are losing control over their own IP,  it just seems like thats one way to go. It would still have the same gameplay. But again, I dont know how much fans care about it.

Pay for licence and you never have full control over your IP. MLB would sell their licence to someone else and Sony's Pro Evolution Baseball would end up selling a handful of copies.

Of course, Sony already chose to let MLB publish the game on Xbox so what you're suggesting would be a reaction to game pass and it would be silly.  



KiigelHeart said:
KLXVER said:

Well if they are losing control over their own IP,  it just seems like thats one way to go. It would still have the same gameplay. But again, I dont know how much fans care about it.

Pay for licence and you never have full control over your IP. MLB would sell their licence to someone else and Sony's Pro Evolution Baseball would end up selling a handful of copies.

Of course, Sony already chose to let MLB publish the game on Xbox so what you're suggesting would be a reaction to game pass and it would be silly.  

Well they "chose" to do it after being given an ultimatum. The series is not a reason to get a PS console anymore, so that does hurt Sony. Especially now that its on Gamepass. I would understand them dropping the license if they dont feel like making games for the competition. 



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KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

Sports game don't fare nearly as well without the major league of the sport attached to it.  Especially sports simulations.  Just look at how many Madden gamers complain about the crappy job EA does with the NFL license every year.  Yet Madden sales obliterate any non-licensed football game that hits the market.  All Pro Football 2K8 and Madden 08 both released in the Summer of 2007, but only Madden carried the NFL license.  Despite APF2K8 releasing a month earlier and receiving very similar reviews to Madden 08, Madden trounced it in sales and 2K immediately scrapped their plans to continue the 2K series bi-annually without the NFL license.  



Mandalore76 said:
KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

Sports game don't fare nearly as well without the major league of the sport attached to it.  Especially sports simulations.  Just look at how many Madden gamers complain about the crappy job EA does with the NFL license every year.  Yet Madden sales obliterate any non-licensed football game that hits the market.  All Pro Football 2K8 and Madden 08 both released in the Summer of 2007, but only Madden carried the NFL license.  Despite APF2K8 releasing a month earlier and receiving very similar reviews to Madden 08, Madden trounced it in sales and 2K immediately scrapped their plans to continue the 2K series bi-annually without the NFL license.  

Fair enough. I just find that a bit weird I guess. I mean I dont play realistic sports games or watch sports, so for me the gameplay is what draws me to a game. Couldnt care less about playing as a real person.



KLXVER said:
Mandalore76 said:

Sports game don't fare nearly as well without the major league of the sport attached to it.  Especially sports simulations.  Just look at how many Madden gamers complain about the crappy job EA does with the NFL license every year.  Yet Madden sales obliterate any non-licensed football game that hits the market.  All Pro Football 2K8 and Madden 08 both released in the Summer of 2007, but only Madden carried the NFL license.  Despite APF2K8 releasing a month earlier and receiving very similar reviews to Madden 08, Madden trounced it in sales and 2K immediately scrapped their plans to continue the 2K series bi-annually without the NFL license.  

Fair enough. I just find that a bit weird I guess. I mean I dont play realistic sports games or watch sports, so for me the gameplay is what draws me to a game. Couldnt care less about playing as a real person.

I'm totally with you on that.  But, it's the power that brand marketing has over the average consumer unfortunately.



KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

The entire appeal of sports simulation games is being able to play as your favourite team with your favourite players.

Once you take either of those out of the equation, then a large part of the appeal is gone. Sure, gameplay is just as important but it's not the defining feature of this genre. 

You only have to look at the complete death of the Pro Evo series to see how the lack of licensing is pretty much enough to kill your game.

KLXVER said:
KiigelHeart said:

Pay for licence and you never have full control over your IP. MLB would sell their licence to someone else and Sony's Pro Evolution Baseball would end up selling a handful of copies.

Of course, Sony already chose to let MLB publish the game on Xbox so what you're suggesting would be a reaction to game pass and it would be silly.  

Well they "chose" to do it after being given an ultimatum. The series is not a reason to get a PS console anymore, so that does hurt Sony. Especially now that its on Gamepass. I would understand them dropping the license if they dont feel like making games for the competition. 

Firstly, we don't know what the deal with MLB was. Nor do we know how much of say Sony had or didn't have. MLB is not an exclusive license. No one else wants to make MLB games so this idea that MLB gave Sony an 'ultimatum' makes little sense considering the busy dealings they would have had.

That said, MLB clearly did something to get Sony to agree to the multiplatforming of the IP. My guess is that Sony has been given exclusive rights to make MLB games, or that MLB cut a large part of the licensing fee. But we just don't know.

Secondly, as for dropping the IP, it's not that simple. It's clearly been good enough for Sony to stick with it for all these years. And in the last decade we've seen Sony push the game into other markets and popularity in the US has grown. I assume it's not a hardware mover, though. So, you're suggesting that Sony just drop a very clear revenue source for them

The other issue relates specifically to San Diego. This team is literally just MLB. And the love of baseball is also clear from the dev team (from the times they have been at PS events). San Diego have not had much luck outside of MLB. Dropping this license is essentially condemning the team, and quite possibly have them close down. 

Now, does this work against Sony that MLB made this deal to bring The Show to GamePass? Perhaps. There's still a lot of data that Sony can reap from this from comparing GP habits against paying customers. But contrary to what forums may lead us to believe, I highly doubt that MLB on GamePass this year is going to hurt Sony.



KLXVER said:

Is having the MLB lisence very important to this series or...? If not, Sony could just drop it and make it exclusive again.

There are a number of non licensed baseball games on Xbox. Some are actually really good, but they don’t go for MLB style baseball. The Show is solid enough that it might do fine without the MLB license. They could do the players association license maybe and still have MLB players but not the teams or stadiums.