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KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Yes... if he has a girlfriend of age he must no longer have any sexual interest in children. Because no married man has ever committed child abuse, right? -_-...

I think he was a sick guy who was grooming kids, because he was a sick guy grooming kids. A fan who was three months out of middle school messaged him cause they were a fan. Almost instantly, after knowing her age, he started telling her how cute she was, and starting bringing the conversation to sex, before long asking her to masturbate for him. 

That is grooming, she was a kid. Hence, he was grooming kids. There are other stories taking place after that.

Whether he still is, I don't know, but I would imagine so. He did not seek any help until after being called out and then his efforts seemed sketchy. I don't think he magically stopped being attracted to minors or magically learned how to control those impulses.

Point blank, do you think a 19 year old man asking a girl who, again, was three months out of middle school, to send him pictures of her masturbating is morally wrong?

Should such a person seek help?

Spoiler!
Willing to bet I don't get a straight answer.

 

I cant give you a straight answer. If you want to believe hes a young Jeffrey Epstein, then thats fine. I dont have a dog in this race. I just think he was a dumb kid who did a dumb thing. Nothing Ive seen from him makes me believe hes some sort of monster. Thats all.

You can't give me a straight answer on whether it is wrong for a 19 year old man to solicit pornography from a girl barely out of middle school?

Wow...



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JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

I cant give you a straight answer. If you want to believe hes a young Jeffrey Epstein, then thats fine. I dont have a dog in this race. I just think he was a dumb kid who did a dumb thing. Nothing Ive seen from him makes me believe hes some sort of monster. Thats all.

You can't give me a straight answer on whether it is wrong for a 19 year old man to solicit pornography from a girl barely out of middle school?

Wow...

These official statements from you...oh boy. "Solicit pornography" He asked a girl for some nudes. He has apologized and admitted to it being wrong. 

Anyway, I think that is enough on this. You do have an uncanny gift for making people feel shitty about their opinions though. Ill give you that. Man...



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

You can't give me a straight answer on whether it is wrong for a 19 year old man to solicit pornography from a girl barely out of middle school?

Wow...

These official statements from you...oh boy. "Solicit pornography" He asked a girl for some nudes. He has apologized and admitted to it being wrong. 

Anyway, I think that is enough on this. You do have an uncanny gift for making people feel shitty about their opinions though. Ill give you that. Man...

Solicit- ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.

Pornography- sexually explicit videos, photographs, writings, or the like, whose purpose is to elicit sexual arousal.

I used that term because it is the legal term for the felony that he committed.

If your opinion is that it is not wrong for an adult to ask someone who is three months out of middle school to masturbate with an ice cube for them, then you should absolutely feel shitty about that. Because you are defending child porn. 



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

These official statements from you...oh boy. "Solicit pornography" He asked a girl for some nudes. He has apologized and admitted to it being wrong. 

Anyway, I think that is enough on this. You do have an uncanny gift for making people feel shitty about their opinions though. Ill give you that. Man...

Solicit- ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.

Pornography- sexually explicit videos, photographs, writings, or the like, whose purpose is to elicit sexual arousal.

I used that term because it is the legal term for the felony that he committed.

If your opinion is that it is not wrong for an adult to ask someone who is three months out of middle school to masturbate with an ice cube for them, then you should absolutely feel shitty about that. Because you are defending child porn. 

Calm down dude. We are not in a courtroom. We are on a gaming forum. Nice moderator going around accusing members of defending child pornography. Which I am not even close to doing. Thanks for that. Really makes me happy to come here and being shit on by people who help running it. I mean what a horrible thing to say. Please never talk to me again. This is not the first time you spin the truth to make me look really bad. 



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Solicit- ask for or try to obtain (something) from someone.

Pornography- sexually explicit videos, photographs, writings, or the like, whose purpose is to elicit sexual arousal.

I used that term because it is the legal term for the felony that he committed.

If your opinion is that it is not wrong for an adult to ask someone who is three months out of middle school to masturbate with an ice cube for them, then you should absolutely feel shitty about that. Because you are defending child porn. 

Calm down dude. We are not in a courtroom. We are on a gaming forum. Nice moderator going around accusing members of defending child pornography. Which I am not even close to doing. Thanks for that. Really makes me happy to come here and being shit on by people who help running it. I mean what a horrible thing to say. Please never talk to me again. This is not the first time you spin the truth to make me look really bad. 

A picture of a fourteen year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube is child porn. If you think don't think it's wrong to request such an image, congratulations, you're defending child porn. If you do think it's wrong, this is your third opportunity to say so.

Not spinning anything to make you look bad. That's all you. 

This is not a safe zone. You can be called out, even by mods. I will address you whenever I deem necessary. If you have an issue please bring it up with @CGI-Quality .

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 05 April 2021

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JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Calm down dude. We are not in a courtroom. We are on a gaming forum. Nice moderator going around accusing members of defending child pornography. Which I am not even close to doing. Thanks for that. Really makes me happy to come here and being shit on by people who help running it. I mean what a horrible thing to say. Please never talk to me again. This is not the first time you spin the truth to make me look really bad. 

Well, a 14 year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube is definitely child porn. When asked if it's wrong for Zero to ask for such child porn, you refused to answer, which can only mean no, because there's no reason to be evasive if the answer is yes. Feel free to state that it is wrong.

If you cannot do that, you are in fact supporting child porn. I'm not spinning it to make you look bad. You did that all on your own.

This is not a safe zone. You can be called out, even by mods. I will address you whenever I deem necessary. If you have an issue please bring it up with @CGI-Quality .

Oh, so now Im supporting child porn? This is ridiculous. You are sick. 



KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Well, a 14 year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube is definitely child porn. When asked if it's wrong for Zero to ask for such child porn, you refused to answer, which can only mean no, because there's no reason to be evasive if the answer is yes. Feel free to state that it is wrong.

If you cannot do that, you are in fact supporting child porn. I'm not spinning it to make you look bad. You did that all on your own.

This is not a safe zone. You can be called out, even by mods. I will address you whenever I deem necessary. If you have an issue please bring it up with @CGI-Quality .

Oh, so now Im supporting child porn? This is ridiculous. You are sick. 

Apparently when Zero asks for child porn he's not sick and doesn't need help, but when I call you out for defending that behavior, I'm sick. Ok then. Considering you think that sexting with high school freshman is normal behavior for a horny 19 year old, I'm quite glad I don't meet your standards for mental health.

Defending would be a better word. But, basically yeah. When someone refuses four times to state that it was morally wrong for someone to ask for child porn, that's defending child porn. 

No need to keep going around in circles, but you can have one last chance to correct me.

Was it wrong for Zero to ask for a picture of a fourteen year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube?

Respond to the question, or don't respond at all.



Allow me to interject in this debate. Did the smash player know that the girl was 14, or did he not ask about age, or did she lie about her age? Big difference between soliciting nudes from a girl you know to be under the legal age and soliciting nudes from a girl whose age you didn’t ask or who lied about their age. I know there have been various youtubers and streamers who got accused as pedophiles at some point and were nearly cancelled over those accusations, until they offered proof that the underage girls in question lied about their age. That could be the case here.



JWeinCom said:
KLXVER said:

Oh, so now Im supporting child porn? This is ridiculous. You are sick. 

Apparently when Zero asks for child porn he's not sick and doesn't need help, but when I call you out for defending that behavior, I'm sick. Ok then. Considering you think that sexting with high school freshman is normal behavior for a horny 19 year old, I'm quite glad I don't meet your standards for mental health.

Defending would be a better word. But, basically yeah. When someone refuses four times to state that it was morally wrong for someone to ask for child porn, that's defending child porn. 

No need to keep going around in circles, but you can have one last chance to correct me.

Was it wrong for Zero to ask for a picture of a fourteen year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube?

Respond to the question, or don't respond at all.

Ive said it several times, but since you cant understand me unless Im saying it the way you want me to say it, here goes:

Soliciting pornographic photos of underage people is wrong!

There. You want me to print it on a T-shirt and wear it in public as well...? 



shikamaru317 said:

Allow me to interject in this debate. Did the smash player know that the girl was 14, or did he not ask about age, or did she lie about her age? Big difference between soliciting nudes from a girl you know to be under the legal age and soliciting nudes from a girl whose age you didn’t ask or who lied about their age. I know there have been various youtubers and streamers who got accused as pedophiles at some point and were nearly cancelled over those accusations, until they offered proof that the underage girls in question lied about their age. That could be the case here.

She informed him of her age up front and told him she was a freshman in high school. She provided evidence of the conversations, which he admitted were legitimate.

KLXVER said:
JWeinCom said:

Apparently when Zero asks for child porn he's not sick and doesn't need help, but when I call you out for defending that behavior, I'm sick. Ok then. Considering you think that sexting with high school freshman is normal behavior for a horny 19 year old, I'm quite glad I don't meet your standards for mental health.

Defending would be a better word. But, basically yeah. When someone refuses four times to state that it was morally wrong for someone to ask for child porn, that's defending child porn. 

No need to keep going around in circles, but you can have one last chance to correct me.

Was it wrong for Zero to ask for a picture of a fourteen year old girl fucking herself with an ice cube?

Respond to the question, or don't respond at all.

Ive said it several times, but since you cant understand me unless Im saying it the way you want me to say it, here goes:

Soliciting pornographic photos of underage people is wrong!

There. You want me to print it on a T-shirt and wear it in public as well...? 

Well, no you actually refused to answer it four times. 

But great, soliciting pornographic images of underage people is wrong. Glad we agree on that. But I want it answered in a certain way, to make sure I fully understand your position on what Zero did, the topic of this conversation. Yes or no please. If you feel the need to offer further clarification after, you can, but I need a yes or a no.

Did Zero solicit a pornographic image of an underage person?

If so, was it wrong for him to do so?

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 05 April 2021