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Great news for GamePass. Now let's see these devs also go wild with new ideas since Game Pass allows for out of the box concepts.



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shikamaru317 said:
Dallinor said:

Yeah, why would it change anything?

Deathloop looks a bit poor though. Stylish, but seems to lack substance. The graphics aren’t great for a game that’s not cross-gen either.

I'm more interested in seeing how Bethesda continue as a studio in general. Will Starfield be a hit? The new Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc.?

Supposedly both Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo were designed to be cross-gen and had PS4 and XB1 versions in development before Sony hatted 1 year timed on them. Sony apparently paid for the PS4 releases to be cancelled so that the games would be PS5 exclusive and drive PS5 sales, since they had already decided to release many of their own 2021 games like Horizon: Forbidden West as cross-gen. Presumably when Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo come to Xbox in 2022 they will release on both Xbox One and Xbox Series, since development of the Xbox One versions weren’t cancelled like the PS4 versions were.

Supposedly according to who?



Bristow9091 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I am very interested in seeing what this means for Deathloop release on Xbox

... I guess it means the same thing it's always meant? That the game will be a timed exclusive on Playstation then release on XBOX? o.O

I mean in terms of a shorter exclusive window, and whether Sony would be able to buy more timed exclusive time/content like they did with FF7 Remake part 1.



Jeffrey Grubb is speculating that there will be a MS stream regarding Bethesda on Thursday. An Xbox UK tweet supposedly backs it up. I don’t put any stock into what Grubb predicts, but we will see.



twintail said:
shikamaru317 said:

Supposedly both Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo were designed to be cross-gen and had PS4 and XB1 versions in development before Sony hatted 1 year timed on them. Sony apparently paid for the PS4 releases to be cancelled so that the games would be PS5 exclusive and drive PS5 sales, since they had already decided to release many of their own 2021 games like Horizon: Forbidden West as cross-gen. Presumably when Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo come to Xbox in 2022 they will release on both Xbox One and Xbox Series, since development of the Xbox One versions weren’t cancelled like the PS4 versions were.

Supposedly according to who?

A leaker, don’t remember which one now. Was awhile ago, like back when they were first announced.



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shikamaru317 said:
twintail said:

Supposedly according to who?

A leaker, don’t remember which one now. Was awhile ago, like back when they were first announced.

There originally being PS4 and X1 versions isn't surprising I suppose when you consider when the game was first announced. 
Other 3rd party exclusives releasing this year also have PS4 versions, so I'm not sure it follows that that this wouldn't if it wasn't possible.

But regardless of the truth, I wonder if MS would even release a theoretical X1 version in 2022. I'm curious to see what MS does on that.



twintail said:
shikamaru317 said:

A leaker, don’t remember which one now. Was awhile ago, like back when they were first announced.

There originally being PS4 and X1 versions isn't surprising I suppose when you consider when the game was first announced. 
Other 3rd party exclusives releasing this year also have PS4 versions, so I'm not sure it follows that that this wouldn't if it wasn't possible.

But regardless of the truth, I wonder if MS would even release a theoretical X1 version in 2022. I'm curious to see what MS does on that.

Yeah, considering the timing of their release as well as the level of graphics on display, it does seem quite unlikely that they were designed from the ground up for PS5/Xbox Series originally. Makes more sense for Sony to risk a hatted game on early next-gen exclusivity than their own 1st party titles like Horizon: Forbidden West, less financial risk for them. I feel bad for Arkane though, because they are releasing Deathloop in May when PS5 is still going to be suffering from shortages and the PS5 install base will only be around 7-7.5m, I have to wonder how well it can possibly sell on PS5. Arkane's Dishonored 2 released when PS4's install base was at 46m and it only sold 311k physical first week on PS4 and about 2m physical lifetime, but it was a sequel to a beloved game, not a new IP. I hope for their sake that Sony markets the PS5 release well, and that it sells well on PC at launch (on a side note, I wonder if it will be on Gamepass PC at release?). I also hope that my fellow Xbox owners support it well when it releases on Xbox in May 2022.

Yeah, I'm not sure if MS will choose to release the XB1 version or if they too will cancel it. I think they'd be fine with a cross-gen release in May 2022, but for the Holiday 2022 Xbox release of Ghostwire Tokyo they may want to go Xbox Series only, dunno. 



I wouldn't bet on it, but I think that while MS will try to make as many Bethesda franchises as possible PC and XS exclusive, TES and Fallout will remain multiplat, their sales potential on PS is too high to give up. PC and XS timed exclusive for them is very likely, though. Also because existing deals with Sony must be respected, so the first exclusive titles would arrive too late to help XS significantly against PS5.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

I wouldn't bet on it, but I think that while MS will try to make as many Bethesda franchises as possible PC and XS exclusive, TES and Fallout will remain multiplat, their sales potential on PS is too high to give up. PC and XS timed exclusive for them is very likely, though. Also because existing deals with Sony must be respected, so the first exclusive titles would arrive too late to help XS significantly against PS5.

True, but at the same time Microsoft knows that it wouldn't be moving consoles or especially Game Pass subscriptions en masse if the major franchises were multiplatform. It would be the equivalent of Sony releasing God of War, Uncharted, or The Last of Us to Xbox as well, knowing they're leaving millions of copies unsold by not releasing those games on Xbox. Microsoft is really pushing Game Pass extremely hard, and I can't think of a better way to do that than making those franchises day 1 available on Game Pass exclusively. Or maybe a year exclusively, then a $70 price tag on those games for PS5.



gtotheunit91 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

I wouldn't bet on it, but I think that while MS will try to make as many Bethesda franchises as possible PC and XS exclusive, TES and Fallout will remain multiplat, their sales potential on PS is too high to give up. PC and XS timed exclusive for them is very likely, though. Also because existing deals with Sony must be respected, so the first exclusive titles would arrive too late to help XS significantly against PS5.

True, but at the same time Microsoft knows that it wouldn't be moving consoles or especially Game Pass subscriptions en masse if the major franchises were multiplatform. It would be the equivalent of Sony releasing God of War, Uncharted, or The Last of Us to Xbox as well, knowing they're leaving millions of copies unsold by not releasing those games on Xbox. Microsoft is really pushing Game Pass extremely hard, and I can't think of a better way to do that than making those franchises day 1 available on Game Pass exclusively. Or maybe a year exclusively, then a $70 price tag on those games for PS5.

Yes. Respecting existing non-exclusive deals with others leaves MS many possibilities to favour its platforms anyway, also because when Sony and Bethesda stroke their latest deals Game Pass either didn't exist yet or it still had little relevance, not to mention that before Game Pass Sony most probably still considered PC gaming mainly as MS internal cannibalization against XB. On future games not included in any existing deal MS hands are totally free, and a long timed exclusive can give it every advantage, including higher profits. Nadella's gentle strategies are way finer than Ballmer's brute force, Nadella even allowed Game Pass on Android: after Ballmer lost the mobile train letting Apple and Android win quite easily (he was so busy fighting a possible, bur actually inexistent PS competition against Windows that he didn't see the true dangers coming), even Windows could be at risk in the future, a HW- and OS-agnostic gaming platform can  even be a starting point for a future general purpose MS platform.



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