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Torillian on 14 February 2021
sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:

It does leave room for apology. You literally just referenced this when talking about Kevin Hart. He was "cancelled", made an apology and now he is just as rich and famous as ever. This also makes it ridiculous that you are imply that "cancelling" destroys people's careers. Look at Kevin Hart, Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Ellen, Chris Pratt. All of them were "cancelled" but they are still rich and famous and have "in tact" careers. 

This implication that "cancelling" deletes someone from existence is pure nonsense and simply repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true.

Also, the phrase "cancel culture" is not exclusive to entertainment. If you want to assert that, back it up with literally anything: 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cancel-culture

Like I said, left on left gives room to make it better because they the same ideology. Provides some leeway, Conservatives get the Gina Carano treatment. 

The difference between the Gina Carano treatment and those cited where they were given a chance is those above actually apologized. Do you have any examples of Gina Carano apologizing for these takes they are being cancelled for? What does being "given a chance" mean? 

And for a left person that got cancelled there's always Kathy Griffin, it even fits the arbitrary entertainment industry standard:
"In May 2017, Griffin was dropped by Squatty Potty as a spokesperson.[56] CNN fired her from its New Year's Eve broadcast with Anderson Cooper.[57] Cooper said, "For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate."[58] All of Griffin's remaining scheduled tour dates were canceled by their venues.[59] In August 2017, Griffin retracted her apology during an interview on Australian television[60] and again on Skavlan in November that year.[61]"



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Torillian on 14 February 2021
sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

If I say I'm not going to watch the Mandalorian unless Gina is fired and tell everyone I can to do the same, am I boycotting or cancelling?

Thats a boycott. Because people likeminded as yourself only represent a certain percentage of the viewership. Many will still like the character, the actress, or simply not know/care what she says in her personal social media. Gina could also apologize, “bend the knee” and over time can appease some people like yourself if she says and does enough good to compensate for whatever wrong she may have done. Her career can remain in tact if she plays it right. 

Cancelling makes the choice for everybody involved regardless where they stand. It’s swift with no window, no chance to make it right. This is exactly what happened with Gina. It took literally hours for execs to make their decision. Please understand. 

Seems like these are the same actions, it's just that "cancelling" can actually have an effect while "boycotting" never works for shit. 



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KLXVER on 14 February 2021
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Like I said, left on left gives room to make it better because they the same ideology. Provides some leeway, Conservatives get the Gina Carano treatment. 

The difference between the Gina Carano treatment and those cited where they were given a chance is those above actually apologized. Do you have any examples of Gina Carano apologizing for these takes they are being cancelled for? What does being "given a chance" mean? 

And for a left person that got cancelled there's always Kathy Griffin, it even fits the arbitrary entertainment industry standard:
"In May 2017, Griffin was dropped by Squatty Potty as a spokesperson.[56] CNN fired her from its New Year's Eve broadcast with Anderson Cooper.[57] Cooper said, "For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate."[58] All of Griffin's remaining scheduled tour dates were canceled by their venues.[59] In August 2017, Griffin retracted her apology during an interview on Australian television[60] and again on Skavlan in November that year.[61]"

Chris Pratt apologized? Well thats news to me. 



Torillian on 14 February 2021
KLXVER said:
Torillian said:

The difference between the Gina Carano treatment and those cited where they were given a chance is those above actually apologized. Do you have any examples of Gina Carano apologizing for these takes they are being cancelled for? What does being "given a chance" mean? 

And for a left person that got cancelled there's always Kathy Griffin, it even fits the arbitrary entertainment industry standard:
"In May 2017, Griffin was dropped by Squatty Potty as a spokesperson.[56] CNN fired her from its New Year's Eve broadcast with Anderson Cooper.[57] Cooper said, "For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate."[58] All of Griffin's remaining scheduled tour dates were canceled by their venues.[59] In August 2017, Griffin retracted her apology during an interview on Australian television[60] and again on Skavlan in November that year.[61]"

Chris Pratt apologized? Well thats news to me. 

All but Pratt then. If we want we can parse the difference between what Pratt was cancelled for and what Gina was cancelled for. Not sure that's productive but I'll suffer through it if I must. 



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JWeinCom on 14 February 2021
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Like I said, left on left gives room to make it better because they the same ideology. Provides some leeway, Conservatives get the Gina Carano treatment. 

The difference between the Gina Carano treatment and those cited where they were given a chance is those above actually apologized. Do you have any examples of Gina Carano apologizing for these takes they are being cancelled for? What does being "given a chance" mean? 

And for a left person that got cancelled there's always Kathy Griffin, it even fits the arbitrary entertainment industry standard:
"In May 2017, Griffin was dropped by Squatty Potty as a spokesperson.[56] CNN fired her from its New Year's Eve broadcast with Anderson Cooper.[57] Cooper said, "For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate."[58] All of Griffin's remaining scheduled tour dates were canceled by their venues.[59] In August 2017, Griffin retracted her apology during an interview on Australian television[60] and again on Skavlan in November that year.[61]"

Two things have to be noted.

1. This was spefically for an anti-trump photo shoot, so it's highly unlikely the left was trying to cancel her.

2. Squatty potty is an excellent product, and you should all buy one. Not to give TMI but it really helped me out with some issues.



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sales2099 on 14 February 2021
JWeinCom said:
sales2099 said:

Thats a boycott. Because people likeminded as yourself only represent a certain percentage of the viewership. Many will still like the character, the actress, or simply not know/care what she says in her personal social media. Gina could also apologize, “bend the knee” and over time can appease some people like yourself if she says and does enough good to compensate for whatever wrong she may have done. Her career can remain in tact if she plays it right. 

Cancelling makes the choice for everybody involved regardless where they stand. It’s swift with no window, no chance to make it right. This is exactly what happened with Gina. It took literally hours for execs to make their decision. Please understand. 

But, that's exactly what people did here.

The thing that seems to make it "cancelling" is only the fact that Disney acted quickly, which the boycotters had no control over. If the boycotters did the exact same thing, but Disney waited two weeks, would it have no longer been cancelling?

Also, Gina had been posting things that upset people for quite some time, and seemingly had no intention of stopping. The firing was done quickly after the last post, but she had a lot of them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/gina-carano-mandalorian-holocaust-trump-covid-b1800802.html

Whether you think those things should legitimately upset people or not is not relevant to the conversation (I wouldn't have fired her myself assuming I had no interest in Disney's reputation), but she had lots of opportunities to change her behavior to make it suit what she needs. She still has a chance to change it now and work with Disney on future projects. They didn't execute her. 

Pedro Pascal had a tweet in 2018 comparing Holocaust prisoners to South American children detained at the US border. He received no blowback and proceeded to star in recent entertainment like the Mandalorian and Wonderwoman 2.

If making a Holocaust comparison was the career killer for Gina, then it should have been for Pedro. The obvious difference is the political motivation behind each person. One spectrum simply has more sympathy in Hollywood/pop culture. I just want equal consequences and accountability for both spectrums, I feel that is reasonable to ask. 



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Torillian on 14 February 2021
sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

But, that's exactly what people did here.

The thing that seems to make it "cancelling" is only the fact that Disney acted quickly, which the boycotters had no control over. If the boycotters did the exact same thing, but Disney waited two weeks, would it have no longer been cancelling?

Also, Gina had been posting things that upset people for quite some time, and seemingly had no intention of stopping. The firing was done quickly after the last post, but she had a lot of them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/gina-carano-mandalorian-holocaust-trump-covid-b1800802.html

Whether you think those things should legitimately upset people or not is not relevant to the conversation (I wouldn't have fired her myself assuming I had no interest in Disney's reputation), but she had lots of opportunities to change her behavior to make it suit what she needs. She still has a chance to change it now and work with Disney on future projects. They didn't execute her. 

Pedro Pascal had a tweet in 2018 comparing Holocaust prisoners to South American children detained at the US border. He received no blowback and proceeded to star in recent entertainment like the Mandalorian and Wonderwoman 2.

If making a Holocaust comparison was the career killer for Gina, then it should have been for Pedro. The obvious difference is the political motivation behind each person. One spectrum simply has more sympathy in Hollywood/pop culture. I just want equal consequences and accountability for both spectrums, I feel that is reasonable to ask. 

I'd think the obvious difference would be that conservatives aren't being held in camps. 



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JWeinCom on 14 February 2021
sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

But, that's exactly what people did here.

The thing that seems to make it "cancelling" is only the fact that Disney acted quickly, which the boycotters had no control over. If the boycotters did the exact same thing, but Disney waited two weeks, would it have no longer been cancelling?

Also, Gina had been posting things that upset people for quite some time, and seemingly had no intention of stopping. The firing was done quickly after the last post, but she had a lot of them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/gina-carano-mandalorian-holocaust-trump-covid-b1800802.html

Whether you think those things should legitimately upset people or not is not relevant to the conversation (I wouldn't have fired her myself assuming I had no interest in Disney's reputation), but she had lots of opportunities to change her behavior to make it suit what she needs. She still has a chance to change it now and work with Disney on future projects. They didn't execute her. 

Pedro Pascal had a tweet in 2018 comparing Holocaust prisoners to South American children detained at the US border. He received no blowback and proceeded to star in recent entertainment like the Mandalorian and Wonderwoman 2.

If making a Holocaust comparison was the career killer for Gina, then it should have been for Pedro. The obvious difference is the political motivation behind each person. One spectrum simply has more sympathy in Hollywood/pop culture. I just want equal consequences and accountability for both spectrums, I feel that is reasonable to ask. 

This has nothing to do with what we were discussing, the distinction between cancelling and boycotting, and I'm not playing a game of chase the goal posts.

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KLXVER on 14 February 2021
Torillian said:
KLXVER said:

Chris Pratt apologized? Well thats news to me. 

All but Pratt then. If we want we can parse the difference between what Pratt was cancelled for and what Gina was cancelled for. Not sure that's productive but I'll suffer through it if I must. 

No, I just didnt know. Just felt like he really stood his ground last time I checked.



sales2099 on 14 February 2021
Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Pedro Pascal had a tweet in 2018 comparing Holocaust prisoners to South American children detained at the US border. He received no blowback and proceeded to star in recent entertainment like the Mandalorian and Wonderwoman 2.

If making a Holocaust comparison was the career killer for Gina, then it should have been for Pedro. The obvious difference is the political motivation behind each person. One spectrum simply has more sympathy in Hollywood/pop culture. I just want equal consequences and accountability for both spectrums, I feel that is reasonable to ask. 

I'd think the obvious difference would be that conservatives aren't being held in camps. 

There is no way to legitimize a Holocaust comparison. The extermination of Jews does not, in any way, shape, or form, equate to border politics. It was extremely poor taste and a blatant double standard. If Gina got fired for that, fine, but it should apply to everyone. A reasonable request imo. A legitimate example of how cancel culture works. 



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