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Should PS5/XSX scalping be illegal?

Yes. It's theft. 32 41.03%
 
No. Muh rites, bruh. 46 58.97%
 
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TheTitaniumNub said:

I could care less, i'm not the one buying from a scalper, not my money, not my problem.

But you are saying you care.

Just teasing.

Last edited by Leynos - on 29 November 2020

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Intrinsic said:

No one is"IMPOSING" anything on anyone. Lets make this simple...

We're just walking in circles at this point

You're blaming the state for keeping minimum wages low, but state are just accepting whatever outside companies impose to them because otherwise we will bankrupt 

I'm stating companies are to blame, as they want to maximize their profits and always find the most cost-effective production 

The consequence of a country changing their working laws is inflation, unemployment and a broken economy after a few years. So how is states to blame for keeping shit working laws when they are doing it just to prevent an even more broken economy?

It's absolutely not a state issue

If anything, state laws are preventing their citizens of even more abusive from economic agents 

I totally understand and accept the many advantages capitalism bring in and how efficient the system is to generate wealth, but we can't just turn a blind eye to how (and from) this wealth comes from. I still not understand what about pointing a clear instance of urfainess of the system make you so pissed.

Unfairness, yes, as the line dividing developed and undeveloped countries is historical, and they didn't experienced industrial evolution in the same time nor in the same way, the countries who experienced their capitalist boom first will now become even more wealth, of course in the cost of the poverty of less historically affortunated countries 



IcaroRibeiro said:

We're just walking in circles at this point

You're blaming the state for keeping minimum wages low, but state are just accepting whatever outside companies impose to them because otherwise we will bankrupt 

I'm stating companies are to blame, as they want to maximize their profits and always find the most cost-effective production 

The consequence of a country changing their working laws is inflation, unemployment and a broken economy after a few years. So how is states to blame for keeping shit working laws when they are doing it just to prevent an even more broken economy?

It's absolutely not a state issue

If anything, state laws are preventing their citizens of even more abusive from economic agents 

I totally understand and accept the many advantages capitalism bring in and how efficient the system is to generate wealth, but we can't just turn a blind eye to how (and from) this wealth comes from. I still not understand what about pointing a clear instance of urfainess of the system make you so pissed.

Unfairness, yes, as the line dividing developed and undeveloped countries is historical, and they didn't experienced industrial evolution in the same time nor in the same way, the countries who experienced their capitalist boom first will now become even more wealth, of course in the cost of the poverty of less historically affortunated countries 

Why? Because I am from one of these "poor" countries you speak of. And there is absolutely no foreign investment because of how broken the "state" is and how lacking of the most basic of infrastructure you need to even entice these foreign companies to come and use your country as a workforce. Which mind you, would provide much-needed jobs for hundreds of thousands of people. Which i a million times better than what they have to deal with now.

I am from a country where you make more s a security-guard in the states than you would as a doctor in my native country. And I can promise you, none of these companies you speak of have any hand in my country. So yes, these things have nothing to do with them.



Simple Supply vs Demand

If there was no morons to pay 2to3 times the rate they would not sell for that.

Personally if I miss out I am happy to wait when more supply comes in demand drops and then I pay actual retail price.



 

 

Nope, although a dick move it isn't regarding a first need supply and doesn't took a long time to auto solve. Plus there are still the older system available to purchase. And that is all beside the point that I'm very much against government interfering in things that aren't strictly necessary.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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KManX89 said:
vivster said:

It's fun to talk about making stuff illegal, but the thought of people supporting it usually only goes that far. If you want to make stuff illegal you better also provide a plan for proper definition, enforcement and potential shadow markets emerging from it.

What scalpers do is nothing more than reselling. It's a completely legit way of making business, what do you think retailers are? They buy product for cheap and then sell it for more to end consumers. What scalpers do is definitely morally ambiguous, but they aren't the root cause, they're just a symptom. A symptom of consumerism, of hype culture, of exploitation of dwindling resources, of computer technology, of globalization, of capitalism, of human nature, of failed social systems, of failed schools, of failed moral guidance.

If you want to make it illegal then go ahead, but better make sure you do it right or else you'll invite something even worse. Also make sure to fight the root causes at the same time or else you'll never get rid of it.

Scalping tickets is illegal and it doesn't rob you of nearly as much money as these console scalpers. And again, why should these scumbags be let off the hook when even retailers can't legally gouge prices like that? 

Something being illegal don't determine another should and two wrongs don't make a right.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Immersiveunreality said:

Yeah lets go after people amongst us making a bit of profit but not from those that do not have the money needed.
Those effected by this either do not care because they have the money they can miss or are stupid, and you just need a tad of patience.









IcaroRibeiro said:

Intrinsic said:

The minimum wage in china averages out to around $200/month. That's set by their government. A company sets up manufacturing facilities (foxcom) and sony and co secure manuacturing contracts. If anyone is to be doing anything? it's the government, but there is a reason they don't.

Not saying this good, just saying if people are gonna take on this "woke" stuff...then point the fingers in the right direction.

Of course the right direction is the company. the minimum wage is the MINIMUM wage, but companies can pay more than the minimum if they want

 They don't because companies don't have ethics, period. There is absolutely no debate here, it's something pro capitalists need to accept and move on 

I don't even know what are you trying to paint here implying governments are responsible for the low salaries, they aren't 

If a third word country start to increase the wages it will lead to inflation, but let's pretend it won't, if they raise minimum wages manufacturing industry will just move out and found another country to produce their goods, that's how those industries end up in China in first place, it was cheaper there  

People would need to be really willing to pay double the price for the same product to have a label "made in USA" or "we paid twice the minimum wage to our employees", etc. So as we know it won't happen, as people always want to pay less and get more it is just that hypocritical claim for social justice that is very hollow. Just like asking teachers to get better compensation, but also complain that education is to costly.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

People would need to be really willing to pay double the price for the same product to have a label "made in USA" or "we paid twice the minimum wage to our employees", etc. So as we know it won't happen, as people always want to pay less and get more it is just that hypocritical claim for social justice that is very hollow. Just like asking teachers to get better compensation, but also complain that education is to costly.

Is that really hypocritical though? Just seems like a US exclusive thing to me.

I mean, education is free in Germany, so there's nobody at all claiming it's "too costly" but I've never heard anybody complain that teachers get paid too little there either. Just seems like the US is getting the worst of both worlds.

Brazil have it and a lot of other places as well.

But I'm sure the other example would apply to germany. Would people be willing to pay double the price for the PS5 if it was manufactured in Germany (with the PS5 from China also being sold there?) I doubt many would pay 1000 versus 500 just because it was made in a place with "good labor laws". Whenever that happens you can bet companies will explore it, just like they do with green products that you pay a lot more because of ecological concern.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:

Well, it is interesting that this has been allowed to go on and get out of hand when retailers are not allowed to overprice them like that.

Some say this doesn’t hurt Sony or MS, etc, because they already got paid. But I think if those people think about it a bit more, they’d realize that if someone spends that much extra money on thd console, they have that much less to spend on games. And it’s the games that make these companies money usually, because the consoles are sold at near production costs. If not at a loss.

If scalping tickets is illegal, they might as well apply it to new electronics as well.

I think ideally it should be retailers that should have counter measures, but it’s difficult to get around the bots.

Though sites that resell these things lile eBay should straight up forbid markups for new electronics.

This. And every scalped console that doesn't get resold at a ripoff is every scalped console that Sony, Microsoft, etc. DON'T generate game, subscription, etc. sales from, which is where they really make their money, so they're fucking manufacturers and gamers over by doing this.