FH5 was the 4th game. I did say “3” because I knew I couldn’t count it. But I feel it could be cross gen like FH2 was. We’ll see. 

I don’t have to know anything about the other games. I do know that they are next gen exclusive. I’m not gonna do the search but it happened just like Sony: tweets and industry people after the fact confirming platform availability. I’m surprised myself, you’d think Everwild would be on Xbox One with how it looks (shrug). Just saying it’s not what you were thinking. 

I am only obviously talking about 1st party.

Propaganda? Says who?

From Phil Spencer the head of Xbox Himself

First link has his interview where he speaks on how he sees gen exclusivity, platforms being held back as memes...etc second link is them pledging support for the XB1 with cross-gen games for the next couple of years.

You've given a fine list, now can you show me anywhere that is said that those games are exclusive to the series X? Unless you do, there is no reason to not assume, as per what Phil himself has said, that they would also be on the XB1, if they are releasing in the next "couple of years" that is.

I don't do propaganda bro, nor makeup shit. I just say it as it is.

But if all that is going to be cross-gen are the 3 games you mentioned? Then surely like sony MShas a messaging problem too, cause they sure as hell has led everyone to believe that everything released into 202 would be cross-gen.

I'm as disappointed as anyone that HFW is a cross gen title but Sony has shown us the most next gen looking experiences so far. 

Sorry for aggressive wording, I tried to edit it quick enough. I’m not looking up the official tweets that specified but the general rule is that if they are 2 years out they fall outside the cross gen window, that much is common sense. But I wouldn’t say MS has a messaging problem compared to Sony, we at least knew they were doing cross gen at the start. 

Its a sequel despite the subtitle or lack thereof of a number. Most media outlets haven't said otherwise or nor has Sony. My guess it that they'll reuse a lot of assets on the original game and improve upon them, hence a much cut down development time. Its just short time given that its a AAA title.

Also it doesn't make sense for them to release an expansion for a game a year into its life for a game released on last generation.

Miles Morales is different, it an expansion/short game pushed for launch title. So yeah I'm expecting a mid/late 2022 launch.

And it should be as simple as this. But it isn't. You can see the next-gen in all that sony has shown. And actual gameplay for their tentpole titles. We are still yet to see a next-gen game running on the XSX. And the first showing of Halo...well, it was what it was. That was MSchnce to put that whole cross-gen holds back narrative to bed. They missed it.

Thats ok... communication via text is always a slippery slope.

I don't agree with the two-year cross-gen window thing though. Especially when that became common sense. Bt I'll take t and counter with this.

How I see it if platform releases say... 8 first-party titles in the first two years of their new console being out. You can replace 8 with any number you want really, 5/6/7/10...etc. I am not saying that they should (nor do I expect them to) just completely abandon their existing user base. However, the percentage of titles that are cross-gen and those that aren't, defines the direction or initiative they are taking with their platform with regards to generations.

Simply put, if like 80% of your games are all cross-gen, then the message you are clearly making is "you do not have to buy our new console to play our new games" which is something MShas clearly stated. But if only like 30% of your games are cross-gen, then its clear you are trying to push people to the new console, while not abandoning the old one at the same time.

My issue with MS cross-gen initiative and I would have the exact same issue with sony if they were in the same boat; is that from their literature, unless I have grossly misunderstood them, since as early as January this year (which men's is something they have given a LOT of thought), they seem to want to have all their first-party titles across generations till 2022. And I feel doing that just doesn't give the people that own your current platform a reason to buy the new one.

I suspect HFW will still be a great sequel because they can improve on many aspects from HZD. Side quests, platforming/climbing, improved human enemies, melee combat, different/new machines, refined RPG elements, building on lore, QoL improvements, etc. The PS5 version will have all of this plus the graphical upgrades, better framerates and instantaneous load times. It will review well, sell phenomenally, and be an absolute show stopper on the PS5. But the SSD + CPU won't truly be utilized to its fullest capabilities. 

If HFW was built from the ground up on the PS5, we could get flying mounts (Guerrilla said they had to scrap this feature because they couldn't stream assets fast enough), aerial battles, faster traversal, bigger and denser worlds with more interior buildings, more complex AI, large scale battles (think of the last mission in HZD but grander), real time geometric terraforming, etc. Things like flying and faster traversal could add to the variety of side missions in HFW (like racing on different mounts) while real time terraforming could add different gameplay loops, like the indication of GAIA like machines without use of HUD, it could open up exploration possibilities, or it could happen during the middle of an encounter. 

Yeah, despite Sony's lack of transparency for cross generation development, their cross gen titles didn't underwhelm like Halo: Infinite did. Sony still has the most next generation exclusives coming out by the end of 2021, while Xbox owners are going to need to wait until 2022 the earliest lol. 

I think many people just assumed they meant 100% of titles. Sony themselves said they want to support PS4 for 3-4 years. Does that mean all PS5 titles will be cross gen for 3 years? Of course not. People know better but assumed the worst for Xbox. 

Frankly I think haters/pessimists and people generally not invested in Xbox decided to take the 1-2 year quote and interpret it as “All Xbox exclusives for 2 years will be cross gen” AKA “Xbox bad PlayStation good”. Good riddance to this narrative now that both companies are on the same page now.