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Mr Puggsly said:
d21lewis said:
The last major console that I can think of that launched without a first party game was the PS2.

I guess what we consider major is subjective. I didn't really consider any 1st party games in the 8th gen launch major. As I've stated before the 3rd party games crushed 1st party in sales. I mean it was a bunch of B tier stuff.

MS will simply have to lean into the 3rd party content. I'd say they should really push Cyberpunk if it really benefits from Series X, but that game could be delayed as well.

As far as I am aware the only big title PS5 has at launch is essentially a Spiderman expansion. I know that's considered significant, but these are both platforms relying heavily on 3rd party content. More people will be playing Fortnite and the next Call of Duty on 9th gen.

I mean the PS2 didn't launch with ANYTHING from Sony. They eventually came out with a game called Fantavision but on day one in North America, there wasn't a single first party game.

That's if I remember correctly.



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padib said:
eva01beserk said:

Im not gona say your are wrong, but how much more learning and listening do we really need before they have a decent show without massive backlash? After a point you kind expect them to just keep screwing up. 

Until they figure themselves out of course.

Look at how long it took Nintendo to figure things out.

How long was that and what did nintendo changed? Cuz as far as Im aware nintendo had a flop console that nobody wanted and they ditched it and got successful. They at no point changed any strategies. they keep making the same games they always made. They still have the same kind of events they had for a while. No over promising, very few cg trailers. 

Sorry but no. The issue that nintendo had to overcome is worlds apart from what the xbox has to. That after 10 years its still on a decline while the complain is the same. 



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Mr Puggsly said:
d21lewis said:
The last major console that I can think of that launched without a first party game was the PS2.

I guess what we consider major is subjective. I didn't really consider any 1st party games in the 8th gen launch major. As I've stated before the 3rd party games crushed 1st party in sales. I mean it was a bunch of B tier stuff.

MS will simply have to lean into the 3rd party content. I'd say they should really push Cyberpunk if it really benefits from Series X, but that game could be delayed as well.

As far as I am aware the only big title PS5 has at launch is essentially a Spiderman expansion. I know that's considered significant, but these are both platforms relying heavily on 3rd party content. More people will be playing Fortnite and the next Call of Duty on 9th gen.

Agreed. Without Halo launching, neither console is really launching with a “banger” but really just a slew of smaller titles and big third party titles. It’s the same strategy Sony has used every gen, and MS has used it every gen after the first Xbox. Only Nintendo routinely has something incredible at launch, like BotW, Wii Sports, SM64, SMW, etc. And that makes more sense for them because they rely on very little from third parties.

Looking back, my first three Xbone purchases were Dead Rising 3, Ryse, and Peggle 2. Only one of those was amazing, Peggle obviously. It sucks that there’s no Halo at launch but COVID sucks, and apparently the option was to delay parts of the game and launch it piece by piece or delay it entirely and I respect that Phil delayed it entirely. With everyone preaching that MS is going to just poop out whatever crap they can throw into GamePass, it’s nice to see confirmation that nah, that’s a stupid narrative.



Snoopy said:
Manlytears said:

Native 4K/120fps is a gigantic trap for Halo: Infinite and Xbox game studios, they need to go whit lower resolution, perhaps 1440p. Talk about power is good, but than come and start to taunt native 4k/120fps realy creates problems for devs... if they keep things at native 4k/120 it doesn't matter if the game will be delayed for 1 year or more, game is going to look bad, and all PS5 games made with "freedom of FPS / resolution" will be infinitely superior visually.

Frames per second and Resolution is very important for a competitive first person shooter. The resolution allows you to see your enemies from a far distance faster and good frames per second helps with reaction time. 

60 fps helps more with image stability (while turning) than reaction time. That extra 16 ms doesn't have much impact on the average human's 250 ms reaction time.

Seeing your enemies from further has more to do with draw distance and image stability, no pop in or lod changes to distract you. That can be better achieved at lower resolutions. 1440p60 can provide a more stable image that 4K60.

However that 60 fps can also be achieved with frame shifting the way psvr doubles from 60 to 120 fps. If the game renders at 1440p30 with lower motion blur (calibrated for 60 fps) and shifts the frame 60 times per second based on your latest turning input and momentum, it can provide the most stable high fidelity image with lower latency than native 4K60. Just in time frame shifts can shave off more latency, while the engine polls controller input at a higher rate unrelated from the screen output.

Render smarter, not harder.



Mr Puggsly said:
d21lewis said:
The last major console that I can think of that launched without a first party game was the PS2.

I guess what we consider major is subjective. I didn't really consider any 1st party games in the 8th gen launch major. As I've stated before the 3rd party games crushed 1st party in sales. I mean it was a bunch of B tier stuff.

MS will simply have to lean into the 3rd party content. I'd say they should really push Cyberpunk if it really benefits from Series X, but that game could be delayed as well.

As far as I am aware the only big title PS5 has at launch is essentially a Spiderman expansion. I know that's considered significant, but these are both platforms relying heavily on 3rd party content. More people will be playing Fortnite and the next Call of Duty on 9th gen.

If there is no game pushing XSX, and they rely on 3rd party that will also be on PS5 that Sony is pushing much more, momentum will favor PS5 tremendously.



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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

They apologized for mis-advertising May. If they labelled it as a small scale showcase with low expectations instead of “first glimpse of Series X gameplay” then there be no backlash. 

Halo was the front runner but the whole point of July was to showcase 1st party games. While people were quick to comment on the lack of gameplay in the trailers, the “Halo Gears Forza” narrative is dead as we now know of plenty variety in development. The lack of gameplay narrative is a temporary one. Good riddance to that tired insult. 

Halo being delayed is them being in touch. You got it all wrong. They know they have their work cut out and will delay the game to meet fan demand. Now 2021 will continue Xbox momentum when Halo launches at its potential. 

Im not gona say your are wrong, but how much more learning and listening do we really need before they have a decent show without massive backlash? After a point you kind expect them to just keep screwing up. 

If you always looking for something to hate then you will never be disappointed. Also ironic Sony’s recent State of Play was largely panned online and yet it got nowhere close to the May event backlash. Definitely a double standard here.  

I saw the May event as what it was: interesting A-AA games. The July event showed me they taking 1st party seriously. The Halo delay is just lost time and me being bummed out waiting because it can only improve now. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

LudicrousSpeed said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I guess what we consider major is subjective. I didn't really consider any 1st party games in the 8th gen launch major. As I've stated before the 3rd party games crushed 1st party in sales. I mean it was a bunch of B tier stuff.

MS will simply have to lean into the 3rd party content. I'd say they should really push Cyberpunk if it really benefits from Series X, but that game could be delayed as well.

As far as I am aware the only big title PS5 has at launch is essentially a Spiderman expansion. I know that's considered significant, but these are both platforms relying heavily on 3rd party content. More people will be playing Fortnite and the next Call of Duty on 9th gen.

Agreed. Without Halo launching, neither console is really launching with a “banger” but really just a slew of smaller titles and big third party titles. It’s the same strategy Sony has used every gen, and MS has used it every gen after the first Xbox. Only Nintendo routinely has something incredible at launch, like BotW, Wii Sports, SM64, SMW, etc. And that makes more sense for them because they rely on very little from third parties.

Looking back, my first three Xbone purchases were Dead Rising 3, Ryse, and Peggle 2. Only one of those was amazing, Peggle obviously. It sucks that there’s no Halo at launch but COVID sucks, and apparently the option was to delay parts of the game and launch it piece by piece or delay it entirely and I respect that Phil delayed it entirely. With everyone preaching that MS is going to just poop out whatever crap they can throw into GamePass, it’s nice to see confirmation that nah, that’s a stupid narrative.

I'm just here to co-sign that Peggle 2 is indeed awesome. 



DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I guess what we consider major is subjective. I didn't really consider any 1st party games in the 8th gen launch major. As I've stated before the 3rd party games crushed 1st party in sales. I mean it was a bunch of B tier stuff.

MS will simply have to lean into the 3rd party content. I'd say they should really push Cyberpunk if it really benefits from Series X, but that game could be delayed as well.

As far as I am aware the only big title PS5 has at launch is essentially a Spiderman expansion. I know that's considered significant, but these are both platforms relying heavily on 3rd party content. More people will be playing Fortnite and the next Call of Duty on 9th gen.

If there is no game pushing XSX, and they rely on 3rd party that will also be on PS5 that Sony is pushing much more, momentum will favor PS5 tremendously.

It’s not that simple as MS has marketing deals with high profile games like Cyberpunk and AC Valhalla. And in general if Series X can in fact hit resolution and/or FPS benchmarks that PS5 struggles to hit that can also go into Xbox’s favour. Just like the early years where it was gaming news every time a multiplat had inferior resolution on XBOne , word of mouth can do it’s thing. 

Otherwise to be fair there is no game pushing PS5 at launch either. They are banking on the Spiderman name more then anything. 



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d21lewis said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Agreed. Without Halo launching, neither console is really launching with a “banger” but really just a slew of smaller titles and big third party titles. It’s the same strategy Sony has used every gen, and MS has used it every gen after the first Xbox. Only Nintendo routinely has something incredible at launch, like BotW, Wii Sports, SM64, SMW, etc. And that makes more sense for them because they rely on very little from third parties.

Looking back, my first three Xbone purchases were Dead Rising 3, Ryse, and Peggle 2. Only one of those was amazing, Peggle obviously. It sucks that there’s no Halo at launch but COVID sucks, and apparently the option was to delay parts of the game and launch it piece by piece or delay it entirely and I respect that Phil delayed it entirely. With everyone preaching that MS is going to just poop out whatever crap they can throw into GamePass, it’s nice to see confirmation that nah, that’s a stupid narrative.

I'm just here to co-sign that Peggle 2 is indeed awesome. 

Finally got all 1450 achievement points earlier this year. App says 190 hours, not bad for a $15 digital title.



sales2099 said: 

Otherwise to be fair there is no game pushing PS5 at launch either. They are banking on the Spiderman name more then anything. 

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