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IcaroRibeiro on 06 August 2020
JWeinCom said:

If the problem with weed is the black market, then isn't illegalizing it the immoral thing? 

Exactly



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AngryLittleAlchemist on 06 August 2020
Ka-pi96 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
What is wrong with suicide

If you have people that are close to you and care about you... a lot!

Speaking from personal experience.

I won't go further into this since you've said that you're speaking from personal experience and I don't want to make suicide sound like something tempting or anything, it isn't, but at the same time I don't think there's almost any logical argument (except for very few examples) for why suicide is immoral just because it would bother others around you. That doesn't make it inherently bad. 



sethnintendo on 06 August 2020
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Ka-pi96 said:

If you have people that are close to you and care about you... a lot!

Speaking from personal experience.

I won't go further into this since you've said that you're speaking from personal experience and I don't want to make suicide sound like something tempting or anything, it isn't, but at the same time I don't think there's almost any logical argument (except for very few examples) for why suicide is immoral just because it would bother others around you. That doesn't make it inherently bad. 

Had a friend kill himself when I was in high school and that was pretty devastating.  We werent very close but we did hang out a decent amount.   If anything it was the final push that I decided that I was no longer Christian. 

Anyways some people are too chicken shit to do it themselves so they lie in middle of road, drive wrong way down highway or try death by cop.  It's when these people that want to die but can't do it themselves then get other people involved, injured or killed that is a big problem.   Perhaps they need suicide booths like Futurama.  However some might mistake them as phone booths like Fry.



Jaicee on 06 August 2020

You know who I think might have an especially interesting take on all this? @Eagle367. I wonder what his opinion might be on these matters as someone from a very different part of the world and lived experience than most of us here.



padib on 06 August 2020
IcaroRibeiro said:
Ka-pi96 said:

huh? There hasn't been a single time that I've drunk alcohol that it's risked anybody near me being injured or dying. I mean, why would it?

Drinking and driving, sure. That's morally unacceptable. But just drinking?

I misread it as drinking and driving, my bad

I misread this as 

"I misread it as I was drinking and driving, my bad"



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Norion on 06 August 2020

Abortion is a clear it depends issue so it's a shame only about 10% of people in that poll responded that way. Suicide is another one where it depends on the circumstances. Overall I think a bit over half of those things are morally acceptable.



OhNoYouDont on 06 August 2020
padib said:

I'm not okay with torturing living creatures, especially mammals for any kind of scientific research.

I'm very unhappy about the propect of transhumanism, and the general technological trends of the world which make us lose touch of nature and of instinctive emotions.

I am very unhappy about the irresponsibility of people and the subsequent abortions that are done so easily now, with containers full of dead baby parts. It's a nightmare. While I understand the ultra-small minority of cases that actually need it, it's being used as a crutch for irresponsibility and that's a problem because it leads to the murder of many little humans.

I find intolerance of any kind immoral, be it hating someone because of their race, their sex, their religion, their culture or anything else about their identity unless it's reprehensible, like human sacrificing. Though hating a person for practicing such a thing is wrong, hating the act is fine.

I'm against the death penalty but I understand why it exists.

I consider lying, stealing and hateful aggression immoral, because it affects my conscience, that's why I avoid doing them.

Where I am much more liberal is with sex, I believe that our society is too repressive about it in everything except media (ads, hollywood, music) and so it confuses a lot of people about a healthy sexual lifestyle, in all aspects of life. Having said that, I think that pornography in its current state is absolutely unhealthy and is almost fully disconnected from real sexuality.

You don't appear to understand that the term baby has a specific meaning. A fetus is not a baby. Your propaganda is proof of your duplicitous and mendacious nature which I find entirely immoral. 

If you're so opposed to lying, why are you doing it?



curl-6 on 06 August 2020

The death penalty is the only thing on that list I consider immoral.

Cheating while married is borderline; it's a crappy thing to do but its also personal business between those people and not something requiring any external interference.

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shikamaru317 on 06 August 2020

I'm a conservative Christian, so:

Moral

  • Birth control (except for the morning after pill)
  • Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur
  • The death penalty

Gray Area

  • Gambling (as long as you do so responsibly it is probably ok, only betting expendable income, not betting until you are in debt)
  • Drinking alcohol (as long as you do so responsibly it is ok, drinking in small quantities, not driving drunk, not drinking at all if you know you're a violent drunk)
  • Medical testing on animals (depends on the type of testing really, some kinds would be morally questionable)
  • Sex between an unmarried man and woman
  • Smoking marijuana
  • Divorce
  • Gay or lesbian relations
  • Having a baby outside marriage
  • Sex between teenagers
  • Pornography
  • Doctor-assisted suicide

Immoral

  • Stem cell research using human embryos
  • Abortion
  • Cloning animals
  • Polygamy
  • Suicide
  • Cloning humans
  • Married men and women having an affair


JWeinCom on 06 August 2020
OhNoYouDont said:
padib said:

I'm not okay with torturing living creatures, especially mammals for any kind of scientific research.

I'm very unhappy about the propect of transhumanism, and the general technological trends of the world which make us lose touch of nature and of instinctive emotions.

I am very unhappy about the irresponsibility of people and the subsequent abortions that are done so easily now, with containers full of dead baby parts. It's a nightmare. While I understand the ultra-small minority of cases that actually need it, it's being used as a crutch for irresponsibility and that's a problem because it leads to the murder of many little humans.

I find intolerance of any kind immoral, be it hating someone because of their race, their sex, their religion, their culture or anything else about their identity unless it's reprehensible, like human sacrificing. Though hating a person for practicing such a thing is wrong, hating the act is fine.

I'm against the death penalty but I understand why it exists.

I consider lying, stealing and hateful aggression immoral, because it affects my conscience, that's why I avoid doing them.

Where I am much more liberal is with sex, I believe that our society is too repressive about it in everything except media (ads, hollywood, music) and so it confuses a lot of people about a healthy sexual lifestyle, in all aspects of life. Having said that, I think that pornography in its current state is absolutely unhealthy and is almost fully disconnected from real sexuality.

You don't appear to understand that the term baby has a specific meaning. A fetus is not a baby. Your propaganda is proof of your duplicitous and mendacious nature which I find entirely immoral. 

If you're so opposed to lying, why are you doing it?

Always focus on the argument, not the person. If you think he's using the wrong term, (for the record, I'd also object to the terms murder and little humans) then absolutely point that out, but don't ascribe any ill intent.

curl-6 said:

The death penalty is the only thing on that list I consider immoral.

Cheating while married is borderline; it's a crappy thing to do but its also personal business between those people and not something requiring any external interference.

Is it immoral to deceive someone?