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NightlyPoe said:
JRPGfan said:

Why would a group of anti facists promote facists ways?

I don't know, why is it any country that calls itself a "People's Republic" is pretty much inevitably autocratic and freedom crushing?

You've got a weird fixation on the name as a truth.  But the reality of the situation is that they're a domestic terrorist group.

Because Trump said so?

I'm pretty sure Facsists always go "these people against us, are in the wrong".
Trump is pretty close to a tyrant and on a slipperly slope to being a facist dictator.
All thats needed is for trump to cancel the elections, like putin did in rusia. Start by giveing himself another 4 years.

If he uses these protests, or the virus as a excuse to do so, and people dont rise up at that point, the US is offically a dictatorship.
Also useing military & violence to suppress peacefull protests, and attacking free speech & free press, is a slipperly slope.
(next step, he bans twitters, and closes down cnn,msnbc, and all you have is fox & friends, with propaganda for him)

If america people put up with that, I wouldnt be surprised if trump seeing how he got away with it, will assume he can go ahead and amass even more power and protections as president... and in the end, you ll get him actually doing what he said he could do.

"I could shoot somebody and not lose voters" - Trump.



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JRPGfan said:

Why would a group of anti facists promote facists ways?

Just because they call and consider themselves to be "anti-fascists" does not mean that they actually are. It's a common phenomenon that one's self-image differs sharply from their external image. The Nazis from WW2 germany for example considered themselves left-wingers and socialists - we consider them quite the opposite. The "german democratic republic" (DDR) prominently claimed itself to be democratic, when in practice they were everything but democratic. And there's many more similar examples.

And there's a general problem with "anti-whatever" groups, that they have a certain tendency of becoming very similar to what they are officially fighting against. Philosopher Nietzsche already hinted at this in one of his famous quotes:

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

"Anti-fascism" in practice has a lot to do with psychological projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection):

"Psychological projection is a defense mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others."

JRPGfan said:

They basically only get violent, if the far right and white power groups do as well.
They show up to counter protest, when white power groups gather.

I only know about the situation here in germany, but at least over here it's a bit different:

Antifa groups (also called the "black block" because of their black uniforms) turn up whenever they believe there's a chance for them to become violent, with no or little danger of facing serious consequences. They're basically people with a strong desire for violence, confrontation and destruction, who just use "anti-fascism" as a pretext to justify their violence.

Indeed, gatherings of people with different political opinions are typical cases when they will show up, looking for confrontation and trying to disrupt these meetings. In that respect, they serve a purpose very similar to that of the Nazi regime's "Stumabteilung" (SA). The Antifa's circle-A-Logo actually even closely resembles the old SA logo:

But it's far from the truth that they "only get violent, if the far right and white power groups do as well". As I said, they basically get violent whenever there's a chance to get violent with no or little danger of facing negative consequences, even if there's not a single right-winger anywhere nearby. For example, the typical day for Antifa violence in germany is the night before the first of may. Every year, they'll gather in tenthousands on the last day of april in Berlin, and once it gets dark, they start rioting, looting and vandalizing, burning down cars, looking for fights with the police etc. There's always several thousands of policemen trying to stop them, but they do not stand a real chance against a stone- and firecracker-throwing mob of several thousands. The police may be able to catch a few people, but that's about it.



JRPGfan said:
NightlyPoe said:
JRPGfan said:

Why would a group of anti facists promote facists ways?

I don't know, why is it any country that calls itself a "People's Republic" is pretty much inevitably autocratic and freedom crushing?

You've got a weird fixation on the name as a truth.  But the reality of the situation is that they're a domestic terrorist group.

Because Trump said so?

I'm pretty sure Facsists always go "these people against us, are in the wrong".
Trump is pretty close to a tyrant and on a slipperly slope to being a facist dictator.
All thats needed is for trump to cancel the elections, like putin did in rusia. Start by giveing himself another 4 years.

If he uses these protests, or the virus as a excuse to do so, and people dont rise up at that point, the US is offically a dictatorship.
Also useing military & violence to suppress peacefull protests, and attacking free speech & free press, is a slipperly slope.
(next step, he bans twitters, and closes down cnn,msnbc, and all you have is fox & friends, with propaganda for him)

If america people put up with that, I wouldnt be surprised if trump seeing how he got away with it, will assume he can go ahead and amass even more power and protections as president... and in the end, you ll get him actually doing what he said he could do.

"I could shoot somebody and not lose voters" - Trump.

Trump is a tyrant. He's using military units to attack the people, he has been impeached, but a small oligarchy blocked the wish of the people to have him removed as President. He also has taken up with other tyrants around the world like Putin and Mohammad Bin Salman while showing disdain for the democracies of the world. His followers are a political cult who don't care about law, policy, or morality, but rather what person is in charge.

Trump's leadership is in the same family as the ancient tyrants of Archaic Age Greece. He got there in the same way Plato explained tyranny overthrows democracy, he comes along in the guise of a champion, and through deception and demagoguery/hate mongering wins the hearts of his cult-like followers. Those in leadership positions with experience and discipline are replaced by those with loyalty to the tyrant, and easily controlled by the tyrant. The chaos the US endures is due to the tyranny and the lack of leadership. Trump is extending his tyranny and now attacks the next level of leaders in the country who he does not control, the governors; and he is using the military as his tool.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I learned this news for the first time yesterday, and I'm just surprised.
It is sad that there are no similar protests in Japan and Asia.



NightlyPoe said:
Why in the world are you closing the original thread instead of closing the redundant one and just changing the first word of the title?

Yeah, I agree.  Change the title or something and close the second thread.  It didn’t need another official thread.... 



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NOTHING, actually a man is dead and this is sad.
Medias are using an event to manipulate the population in spreading social tension and division.
As French, we have more experience with these manipulations, we are more in proportion to identify it but sadly this pervert trap always work It seems.