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Which event got you more impressed?

Xbox Series X Gameplay Event 25 27.17%
 
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 Demo 67 72.83%
 
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eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
Pemalite said:
Hynad said:

I said when compared to PC. The SSD solution in the PS5 is unlike anything currently available for PC.

But the same argument can be leveraged the other way... That a RAID SSD array is unlike anything currently in a console.

Hynad said:

But you can't admit it and say you laugh at people who think that it's better than what's on PC. You have to bring a RAID setup to make PC look better, when the case is about one to one comparison, and I'm sure you know that. Yet here you are saying you laugh at people...

I laugh when people assert something as definitively as the *best* option on the market.

The PC is technically better if you want storage that is faster than the Playstation 5.
The PC is technically better if you want *more* storage from a single drive than the Playstation 5. (You aren't limited to only 825GB.)

So yes, I will laugh at people when they say that the 5.5GB/s of uncompressed bandwidth will beat anything the PC has to offer, because they hear a console manufacturer say so, because they couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest to sell hardware would they?

Hynad said:

You always do that. You always bring up the argument that if you throw 10k on a rig, you can trump anything. Well, no shit. That doesn't make PC SSDs better than what the PS5 brings to the table. It's like if, for example, a GPU in whatever console is better than anything currently on the market, but you'd say the best PC GPU is better because you can put two or more [of those weaker GPUs] together to beat that one GPU. It's completely disingenuous.

It's actually not.
You forget that an SSD functions on the bases that it takes lots of smaller memory chips and makes them "work together" in order to increase transfer rates... Very much the same concept as taking four SSD's and throwing them into RAID.

Taking four Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's and throwing them in raid will beat the Playstation 5's SSD by orders of magnitude. Fact.

Taking two GPU's that are identical to the Playstation 5's GPU and putting them into crossfire will result in superior performance. Fact.

If price is not a factor, like I have mentioned prior... The PC is technically superior. Fact.

That doesn't make it disingenuous, I have been *very* transparent that if price isn't a factor, then PC SSD's in RAID will beat the Playstation 5's SSD, price however is an entirely different discussion and in a black and white comparison, consoles certainly have the edge.

Those are the facts, that isn't being disingenuous, I am being upfront and honest.

How dare thouse peasants be exited about trash we discarded 10 years ago that cost us 50k at the time. Let's put them in their place. 

There's a rumor that a cure for cancer is available in secret for the rich for millions. If it ever comes to the masses at an affordable price should we also laugh at them? 



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Chazore on 15 May 2020

HollyGamer said:

Is not just marketing deals, also Unreal is coming to Xbox and Windows , and has been working with Microsoft since you born to this world no doubt about it. 

Also, i never said nor Tim Sweeney said it will be forever like this, he said for the time being PS5 IO is unmatch , we will see of course better SSD in near future with more expensive price of course. 

From the raw performance of Xbox SX, Xbox SX should able to run the games more than 60 fps (just look Gears of War 5 run on Xbox SX). 

And who's to say we won't see different prices for those SSD's?. That to me sounds like the price argument again. "yeah, you'll get better X, but consoles are still cheaper, so it balances out", except the part where X is better than Y, and prices becomes a subjective factor, and shouldn't ever hold sway over the fact that something is better than another.



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JimmyFantasy on 15 May 2020

The story (maybe) is this:

"Sony talked with many big studios and obviuosly with Epic developers prior to design the PS5.

What they answered was to have more CPU / GPU power and more and faster RAM for the next gen, that's for sure.

Then Sony asked to Epic engineers on what they were planning with their next-gen UE iteration, the UE5, and they explained they were working on new advanced techincs for streaming huge quantities of data (models with millions of polygons, 8k textures) and push them on screen at the fastest possible speed, because that was the only solution for recreating vast, realistic and immersive world with huge details on screen.

So Sony took notes and designed the new console with custom hardware, the fastest SSD, inluding priorities and other optimizations, in order to meet the next-gen engines requirements and expectations.

And now we have it (almost :D), a console capable of rendering spectacular graphics continuosly streamed from its peculiar storage system."

Oh, while not being a main feature of the tech demo, I suppose they were using the Tempest engine for all the enviromental sound effects, such as all the realistic cracking sounds coming from rolling stones and falling rocks.

From what we know so far, Microsoft was more conservative with the new XSex, just pushing hardware specs and not focusing much on this new features.

-Epic just said this demo won't run as is on XSex.

-Windows Central Gaming deleted their tweet after they got confirmation that the demo can't run on Xbox Series X because it doesnt have Ultra Fast Speed SSD like on PlayStation 5.



goopy20 on 15 May 2020
Pemalite said:
Hynad said:

I said when compared to PC. The SSD solution in the PS5 is unlike anything currently available for PC.

But the same argument can be leveraged the other way... That a RAID SSD array is unlike anything currently in a console.

Hynad said:

But you can't admit it and say you laugh at people who think that it's better than what's on PC. You have to bring a RAID setup to make PC look better, when the case is about one to one comparison, and I'm sure you know that. Yet here you are saying you laugh at people...

I laugh when people assert something as definitively as the *best* option on the market.

The PC is technically better if you want storage that is faster than the Playstation 5.
The PC is technically better if you want *more* storage from a single drive than the Playstation 5. (You aren't limited to only 825GB.)

So yes, I will laugh at people when they say that the 5.5GB/s of uncompressed bandwidth will beat anything the PC has to offer, because they hear a console manufacturer say so, because they couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest to sell hardware would they?

Hynad said:

You always do that. You always bring up the argument that if you throw 10k on a rig, you can trump anything. Well, no shit. That doesn't make PC SSDs better than what the PS5 brings to the table. It's like if, for example, a GPU in whatever console is better than anything currently on the market, but you'd say the best PC GPU is better because you can put two or more [of those weaker GPUs] together to beat that one GPU. It's completely disingenuous.

It's actually not.
You forget that an SSD functions on the bases that it takes lots of smaller memory chips and makes them "work together" in order to increase transfer rates... Very much the same concept as taking four SSD's and throwing them into RAID.

Taking four Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's and throwing them in raid will beat the Playstation 5's SSD by orders of magnitude. Fact.

Taking two GPU's that are identical to the Playstation 5's GPU and putting them into crossfire will result in superior performance. Fact.

If price is not a factor, like I have mentioned prior... The PC is technically superior. Fact.

That doesn't make it disingenuous, I have been *very* transparent that if price isn't a factor, then PC SSD's in RAID will beat the Playstation 5's SSD, price however is an entirely different discussion and in a black and white comparison, consoles certainly have the edge.

Those are the facts, that isn't being disingenuous, I am being upfront and honest.

You seem like a knowledgeable guy, but I also never understood why you always have to go out of your way to downplay consoles and bring up pc superiority. Yes, if you slap 4 2080 Ti's and 20 SSD's in a pc it's going to be more powerful than a PS7, but what's the point if no developer is going to support it? The problem with pc has never been about a lack of powerful hardware, it's about what people are actually buying so it will get support from developers. Unfortunately, the Crysis days are behind us and I can't think of any AAA developer that's making games specifically for high-end pc hardware anymore. In fact, I can't think of any pc game that doesn't run at high settings on a 6-year-old GTX970 and a normal hdd. 

Right now, something like a 2080 Ti is great for playing in native 4k and 120fps, but most people don't care for that. Maybe it stings a little but tell me honestly that you weren't impressed with that Ureal 5 demo, even though its running on a console? Nobody is saying it can't run on pc, but the demo was so impressive because it's the first time that we finally got to see what a RTX2080 can do when you have a "game" that's specifically designed for it, instead of just running current gen games in 4k and a high fps. As both a pc and console gamer, I think this is great and can't wait to see that kind of tech finally getting supported on pc. 



HollyGamer on 15 May 2020
goopy20 said:
Pemalite said:

But the same argument can be leveraged the other way... That a RAID SSD array is unlike anything currently in a console.

I laugh when people assert something as definitively as the *best* option on the market.

The PC is technically better if you want storage that is faster than the Playstation 5.
The PC is technically better if you want *more* storage from a single drive than the Playstation 5. (You aren't limited to only 825GB.)

So yes, I will laugh at people when they say that the 5.5GB/s of uncompressed bandwidth will beat anything the PC has to offer, because they hear a console manufacturer say so, because they couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest to sell hardware would they?

It's actually not.
You forget that an SSD functions on the bases that it takes lots of smaller memory chips and makes them "work together" in order to increase transfer rates... Very much the same concept as taking four SSD's and throwing them into RAID.

Taking four Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's and throwing them in raid will beat the Playstation 5's SSD by orders of magnitude. Fact.

Taking two GPU's that are identical to the Playstation 5's GPU and putting them into crossfire will result in superior performance. Fact.

If price is not a factor, like I have mentioned prior... The PC is technically superior. Fact.

That doesn't make it disingenuous, I have been *very* transparent that if price isn't a factor, then PC SSD's in RAID will beat the Playstation 5's SSD, price however is an entirely different discussion and in a black and white comparison, consoles certainly have the edge.

Those are the facts, that isn't being disingenuous, I am being upfront and honest.

You seem like a knowledgeable guy, but I also never understood why you always have to go out of your way to downplay consoles and bring up pc superiority. Yes, if you slap 4 2080 Ti's and 20 SSD's in a pc it's going to be more powerful than a PS7, but what's the point if no developer is going to support it? The problem with pc has never been about a lack of powerful hardware, it's about what people are actually buying so it will get support from developers. Unfortunately, the Crysis days are behind us and I can't think of any AAA developer that's making games specifically for high-end pc hardware anymore. In fact, I can't think of any pc game that doesn't run at high settings on a 6-year-old GTX970 and a normal hdd. 

Right now, something like a 2080 Ti is great for playing in native 4k and 120fps, but most people don't care for that. Maybe it stings a little but tell me honestly that you weren't impressed with that Ureal 5 demo, even though its running on a console? Nobody is saying it can't run on pc, but the demo was so impressive because it's the first time that we finally got to see what a RTX2080 can do when you have a "game" that's specifically designed for it, instead of just running current gen games in 4k and a high fps. As both a pc and console gamer, I think this is great and can't wait to see that kind of tech finally getting supported on pc. 

Well that's why me and him always keep  arguing  about consoles VS PC. Not because i am defending consoles but how most of people downplaying the tech behind consoles. He still don't understand what the meaning of consoles for gaming industry and the impact for gaming industry overall. 

I am fair guy i put credit where the credit goes  weather it's PC , Mobile phones , handled , PC , VR or Server streaming like Stadia when it comes to technology.  



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HollyGamer on 15 May 2020
JimmyFantasy said:
The story (maybe) is this:

"Sony talked with many big studios and obviuosly with Epic developers prior to design the PS5.

What they answered was to have more CPU / GPU power and more and faster RAM for the next gen, that's for sure.

Then Sony asked to Epic engineers on what they were planning with their next-gen UE iteration, the UE5, and they explained they were working on new advanced techincs for streaming huge quantities of data (models with millions of polygons, 8k textures) and push them on screen at the fastest possible speed, because that was the only solution for recreating vast, realistic and immersive world with huge details on screen.

So Sony took notes and designed the new console with custom hardware, the fastest SSD, inluding priorities and other optimizations, in order to meet the next-gen engines requirements and expectations.

And now we have it (almost :D), a console capable of rendering spectacular graphics continuosly streamed from its peculiar storage system."

Oh, while not being a main feature of the tech demo, I suppose they were using the Tempest engine for all the enviromental sound effects, such as all the realistic cracking sounds coming from rolling stones and falling rocks.

From what we know so far, Microsoft was more conservative with the new XSex, just pushing hardware specs and not focusing much on this new features.

-Epic just said this demo won't run as is on XSex.

-Windows Central Gaming deleted their tweet after they got confirmation that the demo can't run on Xbox Series X because it doesnt have Ultra Fast Speed SSD like on PlayStation 5.

Yup, Xbox series X design has more PC DNA and old way of thinking. It's  priority are closer to desktop GPU on the way it handling the graphic 

PS5 in the other way try to revolutionize how the games are made and using different approach, that's why many developer praise it. Cerny is game developer on it's heart and prioritizing on how game development rather then just power and power. 



eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
goopy20 said:
Pemalite said:

But the same argument can be leveraged the other way... That a RAID SSD array is unlike anything currently in a console.

I laugh when people assert something as definitively as the *best* option on the market.

The PC is technically better if you want storage that is faster than the Playstation 5.
The PC is technically better if you want *more* storage from a single drive than the Playstation 5. (You aren't limited to only 825GB.)

So yes, I will laugh at people when they say that the 5.5GB/s of uncompressed bandwidth will beat anything the PC has to offer, because they hear a console manufacturer say so, because they couldn't possibly have a conflict of interest to sell hardware would they?

It's actually not.
You forget that an SSD functions on the bases that it takes lots of smaller memory chips and makes them "work together" in order to increase transfer rates... Very much the same concept as taking four SSD's and throwing them into RAID.

Taking four Phison PCI-E 4.0 SSD's and throwing them in raid will beat the Playstation 5's SSD by orders of magnitude. Fact.

Taking two GPU's that are identical to the Playstation 5's GPU and putting them into crossfire will result in superior performance. Fact.

If price is not a factor, like I have mentioned prior... The PC is technically superior. Fact.

That doesn't make it disingenuous, I have been *very* transparent that if price isn't a factor, then PC SSD's in RAID will beat the Playstation 5's SSD, price however is an entirely different discussion and in a black and white comparison, consoles certainly have the edge.

Those are the facts, that isn't being disingenuous, I am being upfront and honest.

You seem like a knowledgeable guy, but I also never understood why you always have to go out of your way to downplay consoles and bring up pc superiority. Yes, if you slap 4 2080 Ti's and 20 SSD's in a pc it's going to be more powerful than a PS7, but what's the point if no developer is going to support it? The problem with pc has never been about a lack of powerful hardware, it's about what people are actually buying so it will get support from developers. Unfortunately, the Crysis days are behind us and I can't think of any AAA developer that's making games specifically for high-end pc hardware anymore. In fact, I can't think of any pc game that doesn't run at high settings on a 6-year-old GTX970 and a normal hdd. 

Right now, something like a 2080 Ti is great for playing in native 4k and 120fps, but most people don't care for that. Maybe it stings a little but tell me honestly that you weren't impressed with that Ureal 5 demo, even though its running on a console? Nobody is saying it can't run on pc, but the demo was so impressive because it's the first time that we finally got to see what a RTX2080 can do when you have a "game" that's specifically designed for it, instead of just running current gen games in 4k and a high fps. As both a pc and console gamer, I think this is great and can't wait to see that kind of tech finally getting supported on pc. 

Thats the best way to put it. 



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LudicrousSpeed on 15 May 2020

I see there’s still plenty of kool aid left in the bowl.

Also he isn’t downplaying consoles by stating facts and usually you guys prompt him for his input anyway. And I gotta laugh at the idea that he’s supposed to do a 1:1 comparison with hardware that isn’t out yet for software that won’t be in use for another year, by which point all of this will be even more moot.



eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
HollyGamer said:
JimmyFantasy said:
The story (maybe) is this:

"Sony talked with many big studios and obviuosly with Epic developers prior to design the PS5.

What they answered was to have more CPU / GPU power and more and faster RAM for the next gen, that's for sure.

Then Sony asked to Epic engineers on what they were planning with their next-gen UE iteration, the UE5, and they explained they were working on new advanced techincs for streaming huge quantities of data (models with millions of polygons, 8k textures) and push them on screen at the fastest possible speed, because that was the only solution for recreating vast, realistic and immersive world with huge details on screen.

So Sony took notes and designed the new console with custom hardware, the fastest SSD, inluding priorities and other optimizations, in order to meet the next-gen engines requirements and expectations.

And now we have it (almost :D), a console capable of rendering spectacular graphics continuosly streamed from its peculiar storage system."

Oh, while not being a main feature of the tech demo, I suppose they were using the Tempest engine for all the enviromental sound effects, such as all the realistic cracking sounds coming from rolling stones and falling rocks.

From what we know so far, Microsoft was more conservative with the new XSex, just pushing hardware specs and not focusing much on this new features.

-Epic just said this demo won't run as is on XSex.

-Windows Central Gaming deleted their tweet after they got confirmation that the demo can't run on Xbox Series X because it doesnt have Ultra Fast Speed SSD like on PlayStation 5.

Yup, Xbox series X design has more PC DNA and old way of thinking. It's  priority are closer to desktop GPU on the way it handling the graphic 

PS5 in the other way try to revolutionize how the games are made and using different approach, that's why many developer praise it. Cerny is game developer on it's heart and prioritizing on how game development rather then just power and power. 

Sure but I would not say what the Xbox went with is being conservative. Its more like Xbox ans PS have a specific type of vision for their games and they designed the consoles to fit that model. Ps5 seems to be prioritised for big open world's with high immersion amd attention to detail where assets need to be loaded on the spot. Xbox seems to be going the way of the competitive multyplayer route. Less objects to focus on just the competition and your self. Where higher resolution and framerates are essential. Worlds are smaller and if its a match based game everithing is preloaded before the match. 



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eva01beserk on 15 May 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
I see there’s still plenty of kool aid left in the bowl.

Also he isn’t downplaying consoles by stating facts and usually you guys prompt him for his input anyway. And I gotta laugh at the idea that he’s supposed to do a 1:1 comparison with hardware that isn’t out yet for software that won’t be in use for another year, by which point all of this will be even more moot.

Your are right facts are facts. Let's say I have a f150 that can tow 13k. But you have 5 gorillas that toghether can tow 18k. While you can definetly a range as ridicoulous as that sounds its possible. Is it relevant and/or will it ever be directly applied in usuable scenarios? I highly doubt it. So that fact is irelevant to the conversation. 



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