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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Nintendo banned Square from their offices for 10 years after FFVII went to PlayStation. EDIT: japanese business model is akin to Yakuza

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What do you think

Nintendo is God they never make a mistake 7 26.92%
 
Square the ones who to be blame 8 30.77%
 
I dont why i just hate Sony 2 7.69%
 
I 9 34.62%
 
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HoangNhatAnh said:
HollyGamer said:

Then why are you accusing me defending FF13 ??? I 100% you are accusing me but you are retracting your comment LOL. 

So why even attacked Xenoblade when that article was about FF13 and people criticized Square??? You say that i'm accusing you but you are the one who called me blindly defending Nintendo when you just did the same with ff13, why is that? 

"fanboy" i didn't even use that word, but it seems you'd love to be called like that.

you just clearly used that word  



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HollyGamer said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

"really suspicious" I'm always suspicious about anything.

Again, can you show everyone your research about the history of mistakes from Sony too?

Just look at my past history and my thread also you can seach by yourself. I don't have time for you. 

Don't bother. He held me on like a 30 post off-topic discussion of myself not seeing the errors/mistakes on PSVita (that he thinks I should include in any post I'm criticizing another company) even though about everyone in VGC agrees that PSVita was ridded with issues that Sony didn't solve.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HollyGamer said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So why even attacked Xenoblade when that article was about FF13 and people criticized Square??? You say that i'm accusing you but you are the one who called me blindly defending Nintendo when you just did the same with ff13, why is that? 

"fanboy" i didn't even use that word, but it seems you'd love to be called like that.

you just clearly used that word  

More like you admit yourself are like that. Maybe i should agree to satisfy you?

Besides, you clearly said like this: "Even Xenoblade 1 cannot be compared to final fantasy 10  in terms of quality and sales" and "even in Xenoblade you just have small world and a lot of empty space even Xenoblade X is just a plain big mass of empty space". Only people who didn't play them could say that. Xenoblade world which could take you over 100 hours and Xenoblade X world which could take you over 200 hours are anything but empty, say that to all the people who played it, they would laugh at you like crazy. 

Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 16 April 2020

HoangNhatAnh said:
HollyGamer said:

you just clearly used that word  

More like you admit yourself are like that. Maybe i should agree to satisfy you?

Besides, you clearly said like this: "Even Xenoblade 1 cannot be compared to final fantasy 10  in terms of quality and sales" and "even in Xenoblade you just have small world and a lot of empty space even Xenoblade X is just a plain big mass of empty space". Only people who didn't play them could say that. Xenoblade world which could take you over 100 hours and Xenoblade X world which could take you over 200 hours are anything but empty, say that to all the people who played it, they would laugh at you like crazy. 

Cool story bro 



HollyGamer said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

More like you admit yourself are like that. Maybe i should agree to satisfy you?

Besides, you clearly said like this: "Even Xenoblade 1 cannot be compared to final fantasy 10  in terms of quality and sales" and "even in Xenoblade you just have small world and a lot of empty space even Xenoblade X is just a plain big mass of empty space". Only people who didn't play them could say that. Xenoblade world which could take you over 100 hours and Xenoblade X world which could take you over 200 hours are anything but empty, say that to all the people who played it, they would laugh at you like crazy. 

Cool story bro 

Good, so finally you agree with me that you are wrong, thank you.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
HollyGamer said:

Cool story bro 

Good, so finally you agree with me that you are wrong, thank you.

I have to agree to disagree when dealing with children or else they will cry 



HollyGamer said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Good, so finally you agree with me that you are wrong, thank you.

I have to agree to disagree when dealing with children or else they will cry 

Yeah, i'm treating a child myself and look like he is a video gamer so he refuse eating any food, just some cheap, buggy games are enough for him. If you are me, what will you do to that child?



Why would any rational person blame Square? Square made the best decision of their entire history by siding with Sony, propelling FF to heights never before seen from a third party Japanese game, reaching a global audience and massively boosting nearly all their properties.

Most people already know it be Nintendo's fault. It was their own conservatism and arrogance that ultimately led to nearly every third party leaving them for Sony and cementing Playstation as the market leader. Its a great lesson in being humble and not taking things for granted.



RolStoppable said:
Hynad said:

Unless there are sources to support your conspiracy theories, the only one spreading lies is you.

Your whole comment is so typically single-sided...

The source is linked in the original post of this thread: https://www.polygon.com/a/final-fantasy-7#prologue

Tomuyuki Takechi, Squaresoft's CEO at the time put it like this:

"Sony basically gave us the best deal they were giving to any publisher. And they did a lot of public relations work and marketing on their dime. They gave us a great deal to help convince us to come over. … I can’t talk about the details, but one thing I can say is that Sony went very low on the per-unit royalties that we had to pay."

Despite it not being a full disclosure of the deal, the tidbits he gave leave no doubt that a lot of money was in play and that's why technological aspects of the console hardware during that generation weren't the decisive factors to put Final Fantasy VII on the PS1. Developers can say what they liked about the PS1 all they want, but when Squaresoft's leadership already decided that the game will be made for the PS1, then it isn't a matter of developer choice to begin with.

And that's the problem with this thread. The title, content and poll are heavily biased despite Squaresoft's CEO telling why the fallout between Squaresoft and Nintendo happened. Yet here you are and take issue with those who disagree with the slant of the OP. You've been around long enough to know that it's common practice for moneyhatted publishers to maneuver around saying that they've been paid off and instead they'll give an excuse for why a certain console was their choice. Final Fantasy VII is over 20 years old, that's why the people involved with it aren't as tightlipped anymore. So now everyone can read up on it and learn that the game went to the PS1 because of money.

Additional excerpts worth of note:

[Note: In October 2001, then Square president Hisashi Suzuki said in an interview that Nintendo became especially frustrated not when Square left, but later when Square helped convince others, such as Enix, to leave as well. Suzuki declined an interview request for this story.]

Squaresoft's deal with Sony locked Square as a whole to the PS1, that's why they were convincing others to go PS1-exclusive as well. Shinchiro Kajitani, vice president of Square USA, sums it up like this:

"When we made the decision to go with Sony, for about 10 years we basically weren’t allowed into Nintendo’s offices. From a consumer’s point of view, it was good to have two companies competing with each other because prices wouldn’t rise and it would be better for them. But from a business perspective, our main interest was making sure that Sony won and Nintendo lost, basically, because that would be better for us."

Yet here you are leaving Nintendo out as if their actions didn’t also push Square to move on to a publisher that’s not as draconic and greedy with third parties, as it is well known Nintendo was during that time.

The parties involved in the Squaresoft and Nintendo falloff doesn’t only include Sony and Squaresoft. It also includes Nintendo. And that’s a side that you more often than not leave out, because it doesn't match with your one-sided narrative.

Nintendo were asking more money from third parties than Sony. If placed with the choice to buy a car for 30k and then you see the same exact car for 20k, would you buy the one for 30k simply because you have a somewhat long history with the seller? No. You’d think the seller takes you for granted and tries to rip you off . This is basically what Nintendo did with third parties back then. The history is well known and documented. 

Last edited by Hynad - on 17 April 2020

TheBraveGallade said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Even in business ethics it wasn't a mistake. There's nothing ethically questionable about choosing not to do business anymore with a company that insists on dictating their own terms and instead doing business with a company that gives you more respect/freedom. There was no "betrayal", they didn't "owe" Nintendo anything.

square and playstation's relationships has only ever been that of a tird party and major developer. an important one but still....

square and nintendo's was almost that of a psudo sencond party dev, like what rare became almost immediatly upon square's departure. nintendo subsitized ALL localization of FF1-6, and more telling, they gve them mario to work with for SMRPG, something that nintendo arely does NOWADAYS, and was almost unheard of back then, we all know how protective nintendo is of their ip....

Localized with severe restricts and censorship, which was a big thing for Nintendo in the 90's.  Its odd that Nintendo gets the benefit of revisionist history for everything they do.