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Forums - Gaming - Final Fantasy VII Remake Review Thread - Current 88 Metacritic / 89 Opencritic

KLXVER on 07 April 2020
DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:
Huh, thought for sure it get 90+.

Anybody care to explain the cons that are bringing down the average?

People expectation not being met even with SE saying over the past 2 years that this game was going to be instead of just having the same story.

Some consider this a tragedy while they can't fanthom that over the past 2 decades SE have rethought the story and think it would be better to tell it a different way.

So basically over protectively fans holding on their nostalgia and pretending SE haven't said what they were planning on doing. You know, reviewers sometimes review based on what they wanted the game to be instead of what it is.

Not sure its nostalgia talking when someone changes the story you know and love. I know I would be let down if Nintendo decided to remake Eternal Darkness and change the story. They could absolutely modernize the controls and graphics though.



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Angelus on 07 April 2020
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Angelus said:

How is that even remotely true? Outside of FF14, Square has done nothing but produce disappointing FF games for like over a decade now, and they've all still managed to review incredibly well. If there's a bias, it's a favorable one, if anything.

So do you believe that Western media fairly reviews Japanese games?
Even if most media are not, the whole will change if some media conduct discriminatory review scores.

I believe that they review them no more harshly than they review any other game. Whether or not the review process is always fair, is another matter entirely.



Oneeee-Chan!!! on 07 April 2020

Look those comments in this thread.
Probably people who do not like Final Fantasy or JRPGs.
Game media is not at all different from these people.



KLXVER on 07 April 2020
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Look those comments in this thread.
Probably people who do not like Final Fantasy or JRPGs.
Game media is not at all different from these people.

Good thing you are here to set us straight then.



Vodacixi on 07 April 2020
sethnintendo said:
Vodacixi said:

So... Just what I said?

So it was same till very beginning.  Got it.  So Aeris lives? 
Spoiler!
Yeah, Aeris lives. At least for now.


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thismeintiel on 07 April 2020
deskpro2k3 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

A remake could change the graphic, the art style, the gameplay system and the control, but still keep the main plot. This game don't do that, it's a reboot. 

What you just described is a remaster. FF7HD is currently out right now on steam, ps4, and switch.

I think it's you defenders who are getting the two messed up.  This is a remaster.

The game is basically the same game, but with a fresh coat of paint.  FF7 Remastered would look like OG FF7 with various graphical mods.  Something I'll be playing from now on, because fuck this game.

This is a remake.

It is built from the groundup with entirely new graphics and controls.  Now, it is completely true that remakes don't have to be completely 1:1 like the great SOTC remake.  Things can be added or changed slightly to either add to the story or to aid character development.  However, the main plot points are to stay the same.  You don't hide behind the name of a remake, only to shit on the OG's story with your own KH-style bullshit.

And really, that's what pisses me off the most.  SE's false advertising.  For years they have been touting this as a faithful remake, with added depth.  They have been showing footage and gameplay sections that closely mirror what we were expecting from this game.  And I was pumped for this game UNTIL yesterday, when I found out that this isn't a remake.  This is a Genisys-like reboot that pumps in a bunch of KH-style vague nonsense into the game.  And considering the Fates have been denied, SE is setting up that they can go in any direction they chose with the coming chapters.

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Vodacixi on 07 April 2020
deskpro2k3 said:
Vodacixi said:

What that trailer shows is not even close to the point blank shot many people will get after playing the game. The trailer shows some new stuff and changes from the original, yes. But it doesn't imply that the story is gonna be rebooted and the original FF VII plot is gonna be discarded. 

What the trailer shows is what many remakes do. Samus Returns is a completely different game than Metroid II: Return of Samus. Even the ending has some major changes. And you can see some of it in the trailers. But those changes only add to the original story. Samus Returns, despite the new stuff, is still Metroid II. Not like FF VII Remake, in which said additions and changes actually make the original story irrelevant, because instead of adding up, it replaces it.

Nothing in the trailer confirms something like that happening. It teases some new stuff going on, but how that will actually play out is impossible to know. Until you play the game.

I understand some people think the changes are too extreme, but I think they should look past that. Even without changes I think my opinion won't change. I'm actually more interested in where SE is going with part 2 now because of it.

You still don't get it. It's not about the changes. It's about selling a remake, playing with people feelings about reviving the story of one of their favourite games ever... when you're throwing all of that through the window and doing a reboot. And YES, IT'S A REBOOT. The original story is no more. They, quite literally, killed the ties with the original story. It's not like the remake of KH Chain of Memories where certain guy dies burned alive instead of just backstabed like in the original GBA game, but then everything proceeds as normal. No, this is like making a remake of A New Hope and suddenly making Obi Wan kill Darth Vader on the Death Star. That's not a remake: that's a reboot. You are restarting the original curse of history. Remakes don't do that.



deskpro2k3 on 07 April 2020
HoangNhatAnh said:
deskpro2k3 said:

What you just described is a remaster. FF7HD is currently out right now on steam, ps4, and switch.

Looks at Lufia Curse of The Sinistral on DS, the graphic and the art style: changed completely, gameplay: action rpg (the original on snes is turn base), the main plot: same. That is how a remake should be.

FFVIIR is a reboot, an alternative story of the original FFVII.

This can be subjective, and there are many games that fall into grey areas.

In nature FFVII:Remake is meant to be the very same as the original but what they would have done given that they have the same technology today.

I think remake in the title is correct because Remake is like Reimagining = A remake that keeps certain key parts of a product, but changes anything else it sees fit. (Tim Burton's Willy Wonka, some song covers and remixes, DMC)

A reboot is changing the entire series, and the only thing remaining the same is the name.



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SammyGiireal on 07 April 2020
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Look those comments in this thread.
Probably people who do not like Final Fantasy or JRPGs.
Game media is not at all different from these people.

You are wrong, JRPGs are my favorite genre, and I can vouch for FF not being "Great" since FFX (FFXII was pretty good, but it didn't feel like an FF game) the series went down hill after Sakaguchi (its creator) left Square. Nomura had a good thing going with the first KH, then completely destroyed the franchise with his nonsense. 

The changes to FFVII's story are enough to make any fan of the game since 1997 cringe. They literally made the original plot irrelevant with Nomura's KH shenanigans of non sense. No one cared when he did it to KH, but most of us care now. The FF series has consistently reviewed well, even the abysmal FFXIII. Those handing down low scores to FFVIIR have valid points.



JWeinCom on 07 April 2020
DonFerrari said:
kirby007 said:

shouldn't call it FF7 in that case but brand it as FF7.5 or FF7-V2

Yes, sure, that would solve everything. It is a remake doesn't matter how much some try to say it isn't because the story as a whole will have changes to what they consider core. Any claim of that will have to at least wait for the end of all the releases to see how much the changes impacted in the story itself instead of changes in the internal path of the story.

How much can you change the story before it's no longer a remake?  Suppose *spoilers for the original* Aeries winds up living.  Is it still a remake?