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I knew Trump would destroy the Republican party. Let's rewind. 2016 Republicans had both houses of congress and presidency. 2018 they lost the house. 2020 they lost the Senate and presidency. Now only thing conservatives have is the supreme court. Only deserving for a shit party. Multiparty proportional representation forever! Fuck the two party winner takes all system. Finally the majority wins. Fuck minority tyranny.



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They will still block everything they can. Maybe even more out of spite. I sense a lot of executive orders again.



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Like to see them block legalization of weed. What else can they block increase in min wage
Do you know federal min wage is still 7.50. who the fuck can support themselves off federal min. That's why states have made more min wage. I'm in Texas and it is still 7.50. anti union. It's a law called right to work. They have right to fire you no unions needed.



If ask me lots of people don't deserve union protection. Lots of people just suck at working. I'm not here to protect lazy asses.



sethnintendo said:

Like to see them block legalization of weed. What else can they block increase in min wage
Do you know federal min wage is still 7.50. who the fuck can support themselves off federal min. That's why states have made more min wage. I'm in Texas and it is still 7.50. anti union. It's a law called right to work. They have right to fire you no unions needed.

I think legalization of weed will pass. There's a decent amount of Republicans who support it. And, the Democrats have the option of eliminating the fillabuster, so I think republicans are going to want to pick their battles on fillabustering, and I don't think that's a fight they should get into.



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sethnintendo said:

If ask me lots of people don't deserve union protection. Lots of people just suck at working. I'm not here to protect lazy asses.

Unions aren't there to protect individuals. They're there to protect all of the workers. Being against unions because it might benefit a few lazy people is like being against universal healthcare because there might be Trump supporters in hospitals.

Any universal safety net will always also support assholes, but that's no reason against it because those safety nets only work when everyone pays in and everyone gets something out. Being selective about who gets it and who pays for it will break everything, see Obamacare.

No policy will always be perfect because not all humans are perfect. So we should drop this idealism really fast to make progress. Idealism is the source of all extremism.



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vivster said:
sethnintendo said:

If ask me lots of people don't deserve union protection. Lots of people just suck at working. I'm not here to protect lazy asses.

Unions aren't there to protect individuals. They're there to protect all of the workers. Being against unions because it might benefit a few lazy people is like being against universal healthcare because there might be Trump supporters in hospitals.

Any universal safety net will always also support assholes, but that's no reason against it because those safety nets only work when everyone pays in and everyone gets something out. Being selective about who gets it and who pays for it will break everything, see Obamacare.

No policy will always be perfect because not all humans are perfect. So we should drop this idealism really fast to make progress. Idealism is the source of all extremism.

Agree with everything said but don't get "Obamacare" reference



JWeinCom said:

I think legalization of weed will pass. There's a decent amount of Republicans who support it. And, the Democrats have the option of eliminating the filibuster, so I think republicans are going to want to pick their battles on filibustering, and I don't think that's a fight they should get into.

The allocation of the Senate grossly favors the Republicans, and until/unless the Democrats start picking up rural whites the Senate will remain in or near Republican hands for the foreseeable future. Ditching the filibuster probably wouldn't bother McConnell all that much, to be honest.



In regards to the minimum wage, if states like Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Missouri, and Arkansas can get their heads out of their asses and raise the minimum wage in their respective states, I think raising it nationally isn't an undoable task for this coming congress. The question is what that minimum wage will be, Obama admin wanted 10.10 an hour if I recall correctly but that feels too low for today. A lot of people suggest 15 an hour but will enough Republicans (if any) get behind that number? Also, would raising the federal minimum wage require 60 votes (Supermajority) or just 50 (with tie-breaker Kamala)? If just 50 votes are needed then the chances of raising the federal minimum wage are much easier to do for Biden's admin.



vivster said:

People who leave the party now have absolutely no place in politics and should be denounced by any other party they want to join.. It means they have no standards or convictions they follow. The GOP is literally no different than it was 10 years ago, yet then those people were fine with it. At least Ted and Mitch stick with their asshole convictions.

I disagree with this quite a bit.  Maybe the far right was the same, but our politics have become more polarized. 10 years ago, there was a pretty strong center wing of the Republican Party.   Remember, these political parties are supposed to be big tent parties, supporting a bunch of varied, but roughly aligned ideals.  That center has been pretty much demolished  by the tea party and trump.  There are still a few republicans that represent that center/moderate stance like murkowski, Collins, and Romney.  Flipping from representing the center in one party to representing the center in another party shouldn’t be that big of a deal.  The only reason to do so would be if ones political party gets so radicalized that the center is no longer supported... which is increasingly the case with republicans.  Flipping parties doesn’t mean they don’t have ideals, it just means they believe in compromise and focus on the middle ground.  Compromise is not a bad thing, we need to stop punishing politicians for doing it.  It’s pretty much the core problem with politics...