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Interesting quick fact as best I can figure (Wikipedia is decent but not what I'd call a 100% reliable source):

Every time in American history that the winner didn't recieve the popular vote, it was a Democrat losing to a Republican. 4 elections in US history had a democrat with the popular vote but lose the election to a republican due to the electoral college, and it has never happened the other way around.

I know the democrat/republican value chart was very different back then in the 1800s, but it's still an interesting fact. Eventually, around 1808 or something, the parties get weird and I'm not familiar with US history enough to claim to know what I'm talking about there.

The 1824 elections confuse me. Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson were both the Democratic-Republican party, Jackson won the most states, the most electoral votes, and the popular vote by a wide margin, yet didn't win the election due to that election being inconclusive. NEver heard of that before, but hey, the rabbit holes you go down. This one won't count for our stats/counter.

The 1876 election had Rutherford B. Hayes win as a republican, beating Samuel J. Tilden as a democrat despite Tilden having 200,000 more votes.
The 1888 election had Benjamin HArrison win as a republican, beating Grover Cleveland as a democrat despite Cleveland having nearly 100,000 more votes
The 2000 election had George Bush win as a republican, beating Bob Dole as a democrat despite Dole having 550,000 more votes
The 2016 election had Donald Trump win as a republican, beating Hillary Clinton as a democrat despite Clinton having nearly 3,000,000 more votes

Not sure what you can gleam from this other than....maybe y'all need to get rid of the electoral college because it clearly favours republicans. No wonder it's republicans eager to not replace or reform it. IT's also worth noting that democrats have won all but one popular vote since 1992. They won 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020. Literally the only time republicans won the popular vote was George Bush and likely because it was wartime.

Just sayin'. the country is leaning blue, and the red are fighting SUPER hard to not become obsolete. There's a reason some call it progressive vs regressive. The future is progressive, the future is liberal. The only thing stopping us are republicans who find change scary.

Exactly to me this is wacked and broken. I also think the most votes wins is also broken because using Virginia as an example, 75% of the state voted republican but their voices are ignored because they live in hicksville and only the cities were democratic. What would work better is if every state seat was up for grabs individually for both sides (i.e. if there is 6 seats create 6 electoral regions).  One party should not have full control of a state.  Then you could end up in a situation where both parties are equal and then are forced to work with each other to benefit both side (a common middle ground) and more important all areas of the state not just the ones that voted for the winning party and rest ignored.

It is indeed mind-boggling that people follow these right-wing frauds, Dave Rubin, Sargon of Akkad, Tim Tool etc. that claim to be 'liberals that think liberals have gone too far'. Don't they get they have to support liberal policies in order to be liberals? Flooding their channels with irrelevant culture-war crap based on questionable sources, just make them look stupid, same with their delusional predictions, which just reveal what kind of echo chamber they have surrounded themselves with. Such a bunch of bullshit artists.

The US is indeed in an intellectual crises when people not only get their information from partisan fake-news sources, but from bad faith actors delivering the information to them through their YouTube channels.

That being said, there are of course also a lot of republicans, who are honest about what they believe in, and come from a place of good faith. I find no pleasure in them mourning, but only wish the best for them, and hope America can heal its wounds, so there is room for different opinions, without the demonizing and culture war shit. Trump getting the boot is certainly a step forward.

That Tim Pool clip sounds similar to the mainstream media back in 2016 to be honest, and people continue to watch them without questioning or skepticism despite the a proven track record of peddling FUD and inciting hate and justifying wars based on lies.

It doesn't surprise me that the new media has the same type of head-nodding gullible audiences on both sides. Skepticism will always be frowned upon unfortunately.

Has anyone done the analysis on what the results would have been this time if all states split their votes similar to Maine and Nebraska (or maybe even all their rather than just those beyond the two mandatory electors)? I'm curious how much the system would still be swayed by the disproportionate electoral votes of a state like Montana compared to California.