Biden gettin Georgia or not?
JWeinCom said:
Why is it undemocratic? I'd love official results, but I don't see how taking a few days renders the process "undemocratic" assuming all votes are counted properly. Dunno enough about Brazil's elections to know if they do it better, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with this, aside from impatience. |
The second part of my post was unrelated to the first one. It's undemocratic because of the electoral college, not because of how long it takes to count.
But well, I have a few problems with voting on paper, as the votes are destructible. With electronic voting machines, every vote is stored even if the machine is destroyed. That's likely not going to change the outcome of an election or anything, but it seems more democratic to ensure that everyone has their votes counted.

LuccaCardoso1 said:
The second part of my post was unrelated to the first one. It's undemocratic because of the electoral college, not because of how long it takes to count. But well, I have a few problems with voting on paper, as the votes are destructible. With electronic voting machines, every vote is stored even if the machine is destroyed. That's likely not going to change the outcome of an election or anything, but it seems more democratic to ensure that everyone has their votes counted. |
Well then I misunderstood you.
As for destructibility, I don't think that's proven to be a serious issue. The article you posted is specifically regarding mail in ballots. You can't really replace those with digital voting machines. If you make everyone vote in person, that causes big problems for people who cannot for some reason physically travel to a polling place. And a digital system for mail in votes would have to involve internet connectivity, which raises problems of its own.
I'm calling it now. Biden won.
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| Xxain said: Biden gettin Georgia or not? |
Depending on which report you listen to about how many ballots are left to count and from where, it kinda sounds like it - though it will be razor thin and probably up for a recount. I'm slightly optimistic about his chances, though.

forest-spirit said:
And the memes are already coming: |
Wait? Did she just say people from Africa and South America are angels? Those are the people the Republicans fear =P
It seems she's summoning demons to do battle against undocumented angels =P
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JWeinCom said:
Well then I misunderstood you. As for destructibility, I don't think that's proven to be a serious issue. The article you posted is specifically regarding mail in ballots. You can't really replace those with digital voting machines. If you make everyone vote in person, that causes big problems for people who cannot for some reason physically travel to a polling place. And a digital system for mail in votes would have to involve internet connectivity, which raises problems of its own. |
You're right, even though electronic voting machines are just more convenient and secure, physical ballots are not really a serious issue. I guess it's just something I came to expect after living in Brazil.
Mail ballots should remain an option, but physical voting stations should be modernized. And while you're at it, maybe make them more accessible? I've never heard of anyone having to drive to get to their voting location or facing hour-long lines once they're there in Brazil, even in huge cities.

| Peh said: I'm calling it now. Biden won. |
I called it like two days ago XD.
Once they called Wisconsin, it was effectively over. Based on the number of ballots and where they were, it was pretty inevitable that Michigan and Pennsylvania were going the same way. And even if PA didn't, there's a reason AP called Arizona and other places are just being cautious. Nevada should also be pretty safe. Plus, it was looking likely, although far from certain, that Biden was going to win in Georgia.
Snesboy said:
We aren't a democracy. |
Surprised that nobody has responded to you yet.
A democracy and a republic are not mutually exclusive. The constitutional definition of a republic is also known as a representative democracy, which is pretty popular around the world because direct democracy (aka, people vote on every law) is impractical. This is why calling the US a republic or a democracy are both correct.
The US being a republic is not a strong defense for how we handle elections. Yes, we're still a republic. Most countries are republics. We're also a flawed democracy. And flawed democracies can slowly erode faith in the system if the will of the people is routinely rejected. Hence why its pretty important to fix it sooner rather than later.
And regarding the mob rule comment. I hear "tyranny of the majority" a lot, but the sad reality is that the vast majority of Republican voters are white (I'm white, to be clear). The Democratic party is incredibly diverse. So really, when Republicans control the federal government with a minority of the votes, its really just the tyranny of a different majority.
I know it seems like a silly comparison, and I know they aren't your words, but my point is that not following the will of the people because its convenient and "you're winning" is short sided and showing privilege. The "you" being hypothetical.
Nautilus said:
Yeah, I don't agree one bit with what you say about Trump. The way I see it, people have problems about how Trump talk and expresses himself, because he is very agressive, but none of his actions during his presidency points to him being a fascist, or destroying democracy. You may not agree with his policies, but none of them attacks the institution of democracy itself. That's why people vote for him, because none of them believe this agenda that is being thrown around about Trump being "evil". If anything, that's what I fear about the democrats. With the more radical left wing members like Harris appears to be, they are the ones who end up destroying democracy. But enough of this, this is a rabbit hole I am not in the mood of entering today. But yeah, I agree with you that the states needs to get their act together in relation to the rules for the election. That's one goddamn mess. |
Sorry, but I had to double-take... Are we forgetting about how Trump literally blackmailed another country for dirt on his political opponent by withholding money already allocated by Congress that he had no legal standing to control?
Or how he invited foreign powers ON CAMERA to interfere with an ongoing election that he was a candidate in, and years later PARDONED someone from his inner circle who was sentenced for coordinating with foreign agents to release confidential information about his opponents?
And what about how he routinely obstructed countless investigations, from the Russian involvement in the election to the aforementioned Ukraine fiasco, by withholding subpoena'd documents and witnesses , whilst using the AG as his personal attorney, MEANWHILE people in his inner circle continued to be arrested or investigated for crimes committed on his behalf?
What about how he routinely encourages crowds at his rallies to chant things like "lock her up" or "lock him up" in reference to his political opponents?
Or more recently, how he intentionally tried to cripple the USPS whilst spouting rhetoric about election fraud related to mail-in ballots IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
Pardon my language, but this is the stupidest fucking thing I've read all day. You can vote for him, but you gotta own up to his flaws rather than sticking your head in the sand.
Ahem, I apologize, I lost my composure a bit towards the end there.