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DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

You are making a lot of false paralelism.

So it isn't ok for Sony, get it. Nintendo should be the same to their own IP.

HollyGamer said:

What? if PS4 fans want to play Nintendo games they can just buy Switch (like many did) and it happened many PS4 player buy Switch. It has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop it already we know Nintendo is wrong and it's still wrong, you cannot defend something wrong even it's your favorite company. Like I said let's grow up and be adult and don't just attach to one single plastic.  

Said the guy who attacked someone before to defend another, ok. But since when protect your own IP mean you are wrong? 

"they can just buy Switch" Say that to all Sony fans who want Nintendo to go 3rd party and port their own games to playstation.

Who said it would be fair to make false parallelism against Nintendo? But then you agree what you were doing was false?

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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HollyGamer on 25 March 2020
Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

What? if PS4 fans want to play Nintendo games they can just buy Switch (like many did) and it happened many PS4 player buy Switch. It has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop it already we know Nintendo is wrong and it's still wrong, you cannot defend something wrong even it's your favorite company. Like I said let's grow up and be adult and don't just attach to one single plastic.  

Because it entices those gamers on the PS4 to not buy a Switch because they have Mario games through Dreams. Thats the entire point of why Nintendo make these decisions. They want you to buy thier stuff to play their stuff. It makes alot of sense to remove it. I was in a debate the other day about some random saying he doesn't need to buy Ori 2 because he can just make it or play a fan made version of it through Dreams. That doesn't promote sales, it affects sales.

What ??? Are you serious make this statement ??? Are u really comparing a fan made games to a real mario games on Switch. LMAO XD XD XD 



HollyGamer on 25 March 2020
HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

You are making a lot of false paralelism.

So it isn't ok for Sony, get it. Nintendo should be the same to their own IP.

HollyGamer said:

What? if PS4 fans want to play Nintendo games they can just buy Switch (like many did) and it happened many PS4 player buy Switch. It has nothing to do with this discussion. Stop it already we know Nintendo is wrong and it's still wrong, you cannot defend something wrong even it's your favorite company. Like I said let's grow up and be adult and don't just attach to one single plastic.  

Said the guy who attacked someone before to defend another, ok. But since when protect your own IP mean you are wrong? 

"they can just buy Switch" Say that to all Sony fans who want Nintendo to go 3rd party and port their own games to playstation.

Why are you changing the subject LOL . No one talk about them or even defend those fan boy. Don't generalize all fans. 



HoangNhatAnh on 25 March 2020
DonFerrari said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So it isn't ok for Sony, get it. Nintendo should be the same to their own IP.

Said the guy who attacked someone before to defend another, ok. But since when protect your own IP mean you are wrong? 

"they can just buy Switch" Say that to all Sony fans who want Nintendo to go 3rd party and port their own games to playstation.

Who said it would be fair to make false parallelism against Nintendo? But then you agree what you were doing was false?

What's false? Explain it.

HollyGamer said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

So it isn't ok for Sony, get it. Nintendo should be the same to their own IP.

Said the guy who attacked someone before to defend another, ok. But since when protect your own IP mean you are wrong? 

"they can just buy Switch" Say that to all Sony fans who want Nintendo to go 3rd party and port their own games to playstation.

Why are you changing the subject LOL . No one talk about them or even defend those fan boy. Don't generalize all fans. 

So you said i defended Nin without attacking Sony was wrong, but you attacked someone to defend another is fine? A fan made game about Nintendo character on ps4? No different than Metroid AM2R on pc which got taken down by Nin. If it is on Nin system only, it may work, but not this.



DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

Who said it would be fair to make false parallelism against Nintendo? But then you agree what you were doing was false?

What's false? Explain it.

HollyGamer said:

Why are you changing the subject LOL . No one talk about them or even defend those fan boy. Don't generalize all fans. 

So you said i defended Nin without attacking Sony was wrong, but you attacked someone to defend another is fine? A fan made game about Nintendo character on ps4? No different than Metroid AM2R on pc which got taken down by Nin. If it is on Nin system only, it may work, but not this.

So you are taking back that you done false paralelism or will you keep it to say it isn't ok if it's made to defend Nintendo but ok to defend Sony? Which do you want? Can't have both.

We are discussing Nintendo demanding take down from a fan made content inside a Sony game and you gone for Nintendo making a Sony IP by itself. That is false paralelism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Azzanation on 25 March 2020
HollyGamer said:
Azzanation said:

Because it entices those gamers on the PS4 to not buy a Switch because they have Mario games through Dreams. Thats the entire point of why Nintendo make these decisions. They want you to buy thier stuff to play their stuff. It makes alot of sense to remove it. I was in a debate the other day about some random saying he doesn't need to buy Ori 2 because he can just make it or play a fan made version of it through Dreams. That doesn't promote sales, it affects sales.

What ??? Are you serious make this statement ??? Are u really comparing a fan made games to a real mario games on Switch. LMAO XD XD XD 

Holly, the point isn't hard to grasp. Fan made or not, the fact its Mario not on a Nintendo device or without Nintendo's consent affects the IPs quality in itself and profits Sony and not Nintendo since Dreams is only on PS4. If Sony want content like that to be there without any issues than maybe Sony should release Dreams on the Switch, than Nintendo might let it go. Fan made content will help sell Dreams and PS4s not Nintendo Switches, that's the bottom line and that's why Nintendo want to take this stuff down. Want Mario? buy a Switch, there is a perfectly good Mario game out there in Mario Odyssey.

I agree on Nintendo taking full control on there IP's reputations and id expect Sony to do the exact same if Nintendo had a content creating tool using IPs from Sony. This is why Nintendo have the most valuable IPs in the entire industry, Nintendo don't let them get washed out by others.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 25 March 2020

DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

What ??? Are you serious make this statement ??? Are u really comparing a fan made games to a real mario games on Switch. LMAO XD XD XD 

Holly, the point isn't hard to grasp. Fan made or not, the fact its Mario not on a Nintendo device or without Nintendo's consent affects the IPs quality in itself and profits Sony and not Nintendo since Dreams is only on PS4. If Sony want content like that to be there without any issues than maybe Sony should release Dreams on the Switch, than Nintendo might let it go. Fan made content will help sell Dreams and PS4s not Nintendo Switches, that's the bottom line and that's why Nintendo want to take this stuff down. Want Mario? buy a Switch, there is a perfectly good Mario game out there in Mario Odyssey.

I agree on Nintendo taking full control on there IP's reputations and id expect Sony to do the exact same if Nintendo had a content creating tool using IPs from Sony. This is why Nintendo have the most valuable IPs in the entire industry, Nintendo don't let them get washed out by others.

Still you would need to prove the sales that were made because people wanted to play Mario games on PS4.

Second you would need to prove that dreams have a "content creating tool using IP" from Nintendo. Because it doesn't, people can create whatever they want with the tool, but there isn't any Nintendo IP on the tool, if there was they could ask for sanction against sony itself.

Third this type of situation would most likely fall under fair use as it is fan made content not for profit and not copying the content but recreating it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HollyGamer on 25 March 2020
Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

What ??? Are you serious make this statement ??? Are u really comparing a fan made games to a real mario games on Switch. LMAO XD XD XD 

Holly, the point isn't hard to grasp. Fan made or not, the fact its Mario not on a Nintendo device or without Nintendo's consent affects the IPs quality in itself and profits Sony and not Nintendo since Dreams is only on PS4. If Sony want content like that to be there without any issues than maybe Sony should release Dreams on the Switch, than Nintendo might let it go. Fan made content will help sell Dreams and PS4s not Nintendo Switches, that's the bottom line and that's why Nintendo want to take this stuff down. Want Mario? buy a Switch, there is a perfectly good Mario game out there in Mario Odyssey.

I agree on Nintendo taking full control on there IP's reputations and id expect Sony to do the exact same if Nintendo had a content creating tool using IPs from Sony. This is why Nintendo have the most valuable IPs in the entire industry, Nintendo don't let them get washed out by others.

So if someone have Lego toys and build Mario world inside Lego and let children  play their Lego by free,  does that also allow Nintendo to send cease and decease?  



DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
HollyGamer said:
Azzanation said:

Holly, the point isn't hard to grasp. Fan made or not, the fact its Mario not on a Nintendo device or without Nintendo's consent affects the IPs quality in itself and profits Sony and not Nintendo since Dreams is only on PS4. If Sony want content like that to be there without any issues than maybe Sony should release Dreams on the Switch, than Nintendo might let it go. Fan made content will help sell Dreams and PS4s not Nintendo Switches, that's the bottom line and that's why Nintendo want to take this stuff down. Want Mario? buy a Switch, there is a perfectly good Mario game out there in Mario Odyssey.

I agree on Nintendo taking full control on there IP's reputations and id expect Sony to do the exact same if Nintendo had a content creating tool using IPs from Sony. This is why Nintendo have the most valuable IPs in the entire industry, Nintendo don't let them get washed out by others.

So if someone have Lego toys and build Mario world inside Lego and let children  play their Lego by free,  does that also allow Nintendo to send cease and decease?  

For him it wouldn't because it is also on Switch, you tell or I tell?

Hint, people could watch youtube on Nintendo devices, didn`t stop them to ordering take down of all non-sanctioned let`s play content.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HollyGamer on 25 March 2020
HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

Who said it would be fair to make false parallelism against Nintendo? But then you agree what you were doing was false?

What's false? Explain it.

HollyGamer said:

Why are you changing the subject LOL . No one talk about them or even defend those fan boy. Don't generalize all fans. 

So you said i defended Nin without attacking Sony was wrong, but you attacked someone to defend another is fine? A fan made game about Nintendo character on ps4? No different than Metroid AM2R on pc which got taken down by Nin. If it is on Nin system only, it may work, but not this.

I never attacking anyone LOL, I am just  not agree with Nintendo Policy. If you feel attacked by me and try to changing the subject to fan war there is something wrong with u.  I am just cleary tell you to stop defending every bad policy on Nintendo.