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kirby007 on 25 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
padib said:

You can't truly believe that. GPUs and CPUs are much more complex than SSD technology.

The I/O system with the PS5's SSD is literally running a CPU that's better than the main system's CPU.  

why even use a CPu in that case



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DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
padib said:

You can't truly believe that. GPUs and CPUs are much more complex than SSD technology.

The I/O system with the PS5's SSD is literally running a CPU that's better than the main system's CPU.  

This I think isn`t true. What was said is that it would need several Zen2 processors to do the same thing, but that is because this is a very specialized part instead of a generic CPU trying to do the task.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
DonFerrari said:

This I think isn`t true. What was said is that it would need several Zen2 processors to do the same thing, but that is because this is a very specialized part instead of a generic CPU trying to do the task.

That's true.  These are probably very specialized processing units, that probably don't do everything the main CPU does.

They shouldn`t, it is just IO. There is also the 3D Audio that behaves like SPEs and is like another couple Zen2 cores if I`m not wrong. But that is just saying that if the console didn`t had all these specialized units they would need like the triple CPU capacity so specialized is cheaper and better, otherwise they would have the chip of the IO as CPU or the other option is that the chip is massive and PS5 is a huge console.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kirby007 on 25 March 2020

its quite simple if the SSD is so superior they would have cut the CPU out and went with with SSD only,
frankly im going with what star citizen gets as results



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DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
padib said:
the-pi-guy said:

They mostly are.  

And the PS5's SSD is much more capable.  Whether the faster SSD will lead to good benefits, we'll have to see. 

I read that there is parity on that front.

https://www.techradar.com/news/ps5-vs-xbox-series-x

"Sony and Microsoft's joint commitment to SSD tech suggests a parity across both consoles for third party developers to work with."

At least very likely, also for all the reasons I mentioned already.

You mean this "Sony and Microsoft's joint commitment to SSD tech suggests a parity across both consoles for third party developers to work with. "?

Have you ignored that it is for third party development not that the SSDs are at parity?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
padib said:
the-pi-guy said:

I'm not sure what you're talking about?

PS5's SSD is a bit over twice as fast.  Feature parity would be accurate, not spec parity.

At that scale, twice as fast should likely not matter.

At that scale 15-20% on GPU should likely not matter.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
padib said:
DonFerrari said:

At that scale 15-20% on GPU should likely not matter.

It doesn't work that way. If I tell you that in one case the speed is 0.5ms and the other is 1ms, it just doesn't matter.

Yes let`s accuse Sony fans of downplaying the GPU difference and using SSD as secret sauce, then let`s ignore all the devs that asked for SSD as top priority over GPU and CPU specs, that said it will revolution game design, and double speed and think we aren`t downplaying PS5 advantage.

60fps versus 70fps doesn`t matter as well.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
padib said:
the-pi-guy said:

And yet you're thinking a 15% faster GPU is massively innovative.  

From an engineering point of view, it certainly is.

Achieving 15% performance difference with 45% less CUs is quite impressive and innovative engineering wise.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 March 2020
padib said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes let`s accuse Sony fans of downplaying the GPU difference and using SSD as secret sauce, then let`s ignore all the devs that asked for SSD as top priority over GPU and CPU specs, that said it will revolution game design, and double speed and think we aren`t downplaying PS5 advantage.

Yes, let's. Because it's the right thing to do.

How often did people downplay the MS secret sauce. This time the XsX has clearly beaten the PS5 in terms of hardware, yet here you are pretending like there is a case for the SSD as being a big deal when it isn't. Just stop.

Neither me nor pi-guy is pretending anything. You are the one behaving very poorly here. Have he or me denied XSX is more powerful? Nope. But you are denying that SSD will revolution game design, even when the post you tried to use as evidence say it will. Pretend all you want, you are not the one on the right.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kirby007 on 25 March 2020

padip why are you even surprised? i mean after awhile you should know which faces have a certain pov implied



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