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trunkswd said:
PotentHerbs said:

I see the Series X as the premium console. Its already being marketed as a console that "eats monsters for breakfast." It will probably have an entry point of at least $500. We're getting those ultra high settings right off the bat instead of a mid gen upgrade. Also consider that there could be confusion among consumers if MS has three different SKU's. IIRC, the Xbox One was phased out for the Xbox One S. Perhaps for this very reason?  

I also doubt that Project Lockhart isn't the base console. Microsoft's cross generation strategy already targets the Xbox One S until at least 2021. Project Lockhart is poised to be MS cheapest entry into next gen, making it likely the majority of their next gen userbase are Lockhart owners, and any potential bottlenecks of Lockhart need to be prioritized in terms of development. Lockhart is rumored to have a weaker GPU, so maybe they have a weaker CPU, since these units will include an SSD & MS will need to cut cost somewhere. 

Lockhart could also have no disc drive. While it doesn't cut a lot of the cost it does mean every game will be sold digitally and with that more money to Microsoft with each game sold. 

And that could make MS accept additional 50 in loss on the console to accelerate sales.



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Intrinsic said:
CrazyGPU said:

I have to say you were right on spot (Intrinsic) when you were calculating an equivalent of 15 Teraflops or even more for PS5 years ago considering architecture changes. If 8 TF of NAVI is equivalent to 13 for VEGA 64, then let say 10 teraflops of PS5 would be 16,25 on the old architecture.  So a little better than you thought it would be. 

Still The XBOX is faster. I think It will be equivalent to a RTX 2080 while the PS5 is more like something in between a RTX 2070-RTX 2070 super. 

Lol yeah, I was right back then, was also right about them using SSDs... though I wasn't expecting 5.5GB/s. And yes I am fully aware that the XSX is just flat out faster. I am super stoked thought about how close and powerful they both are. I am kinda bummed out that the greatest strength of the PS5 is something that we are likely not to see 3rd party devs fully take advantage of, but well... Thank God for Sony worldwide studios.

You were one of the pioneers of SSD talk if I remember correctly. I was a little skeptical of full blown SSD, but a smaller amount however on board seemed within reason back then. I did not think we'd see NVMe, at the speeds they are claiming, with around 1TB. User expandable third party NVMe as well? What? Out of all the ways I thought SNY would flex, this really caught me off guard.

I am really happy personally. I mentioned back then that I would much prefer they focus on super quick loading speeds, even if that meant a slightly weaker CPU and GPU. Slightly weaker GPU if they had to choose between either. Seems like that's darn near exactly what they're offering.

I'm going to have a hard time holding off for a couple years like I usually do this time around. I wasn't the biggest SIE fan until PS4, but after playing TLOURe and the Uncharted Collection, and seeing what they've done on PS4 with HZD, GOW, etc, the potential for PS5 has me drooling uncontrollably.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
Intrinsic said:

Lol yeah, I was right back then, was also right about them using SSDs... though I wasn't expecting 5.5GB/s. And yes I am fully aware that the XSX is just flat out faster. I am super stoked thought about how close and powerful they both are. I am kinda bummed out that the greatest strength of the PS5 is something that we are likely not to see 3rd party devs fully take advantage of, but well... Thank God for Sony worldwide studios.

You were one of the pioneers of SSD talk if I remember correctly. I was a little skeptical of full blown SSD, but a smaller amount however on board seemed within reason back then. I did not think we'd see NVMe, at the speeds they are claiming, with around 1TB. User expandable third party NVMe as well? What? Out of all the ways I thought SNY would flex, this really caught me off guard.

I am really happy personally. I mentioned back then that I would much prefer they focus on super quick loading speeds, even if that meant a slightly weaker CPU and GPU. Slightly weaker GPU if they had to choose between either. Seems like that's darn near exactly what they're offering.

I'm going to have a hard time holding off for a couple years like I usually do this time around. I wasn't the biggest SIE fan until PS4, but after playing TLOURe and the Uncharted Collection, and seeing what they've done on PS4 with HZD, GOW, etc, the potential for PS5 has me drooling uncontrollably.

I honestly doubted the use of SSD's at $399 due to cost reasons.

But if the hardware price was higher, than it was more than feasible. Still stand by that.




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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

You were one of the pioneers of SSD talk if I remember correctly. I was a little skeptical of full blown SSD, but a smaller amount however on board seemed within reason back then. I did not think we'd see NVMe, at the speeds they are claiming, with around 1TB. User expandable third party NVMe as well? What? Out of all the ways I thought SNY would flex, this really caught me off guard.

I am really happy personally. I mentioned back then that I would much prefer they focus on super quick loading speeds, even if that meant a slightly weaker CPU and GPU. Slightly weaker GPU if they had to choose between either. Seems like that's darn near exactly what they're offering.

I'm going to have a hard time holding off for a couple years like I usually do this time around. I wasn't the biggest SIE fan until PS4, but after playing TLOURe and the Uncharted Collection, and seeing what they've done on PS4 with HZD, GOW, etc, the potential for PS5 has me drooling uncontrollably.

I honestly doubted the use of SSD's at $399 due to cost reasons.

But if the hardware price was higher, than it was more than feasible. Still stand by that.

That was really hard to see happening back then, as it's not exactly clear it could certainly happen now either. I'd say $399 is going to need a subsidy if it's going to happen. Not sure how much of one just yet, but also depends on what MS does in terms of Lockhart, assuming PS isn't doing that as well. If MS is somehow able to land at $299 and $499, then I don't think it would be crazy to anticipate PS trying to hit the sweet spot in between. Seeing PS5 at $499 and XBSX higher yet wouldn't surprise me either though.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Cerebralbore101 said:
taus90 said:

thats your performance benchmark witcher3? a 5 year old game! why dont you check out the performance in recently released titles with Dx12 or vulcan support. just a youtube search will give you a clear picture where 5700XT stands in comparison to 2070 super. 5700xt only lags behind in dx11 games but even that performance gap has been significantly closed up by AMD driver updates. 

if you dont want to search here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmlRzGhdWdM

if you dont wanna watch so ill sum it up for you Battlefield v, Shadow of Tomb raider, Exodus, Star wars, world war z all have better or equally good performance on similar settings to 2070 super. AMD updates have significantly improved their cards performances, and if you undervolt and overclock 5700xt (PS5) it convincingly beats 2070 super

and this is without even taking RDNA2 improvements into consideration.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this. Being a 5 year old game doesn't mean much. Witcher 3 is one of the best looking games of this gen, and it's open world, which is harder on FPS than other games. That's why I was using it. 

But the video you showed, shows that the XT has indeed caught up with the 2070 Super. This is really good news. I wanted to get an AMD GPU for two years now, but the Vega just sucked, and the 580 was low end by the time I finally got around to building my rig. If AMD's next gen cards wind up being on par with Nvidia's higher end next gen cards, without too much of a power draw problem, I'll be sold. 

actually i learnt it hard way i used to mock my friend for choosing Radeon 570 8gb over 1060 6gb coz i have one, and 1060 gpu was far superior than 570, but recently i was shocked that his 570 suddenly catapulted over my 1060 (courtesy Warzone). thanks to the drivers. Even I am waiting for Rdna 2 based gpu to see how it will stack up against nvidia 3000 series 



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trunkswd said:
PotentHerbs said:

I see the Series X as the premium console. Its already being marketed as a console that "eats monsters for breakfast." It will probably have an entry point of at least $500. We're getting those ultra high settings right off the bat instead of a mid gen upgrade. Also consider that there could be confusion among consumers if MS has three different SKU's. IIRC, the Xbox One was phased out for the Xbox One S. Perhaps for this very reason?  

I also doubt that Project Lockhart isn't the base console. Microsoft's cross generation strategy already targets the Xbox One S until at least 2021. Project Lockhart is poised to be MS cheapest entry into next gen, making it likely the majority of their next gen userbase are Lockhart owners, and any potential bottlenecks of Lockhart need to be prioritized in terms of development. Lockhart is rumored to have a weaker GPU, so maybe they have a weaker CPU, since these units will include an SSD & MS will need to cut cost somewhere. 

Lockhart could also have no disc drive. While it doesn't cut a lot of the cost it does mean every game will be sold digitally and with that more money to Microsoft with each game sold. 

One of the best things about consoles is the ability to own physical games. I really feel like Xbox is the fifth column of consoles. Almost everything they do is to the detriment of consoles in the long run. Lockheart not having a disc drive, and popularizing digital purchases even further would weaken consoles as a whole. What's next, Denuvo on Xbox? 



If The series X turns up more expensive than PS5. Maybe MS will have to launch a diskless version is Series X. Lockheart will be cheap but for people who want higher resolution games on a better price a diskless Series X would be an option.



Cerebralbore101 said:
trunkswd said:

Lockhart could also have no disc drive. While it doesn't cut a lot of the cost it does mean every game will be sold digitally and with that more money to Microsoft with each game sold. 

One of the best things about consoles is the ability to own physical games. I really feel like Xbox is the fifth column of consoles. Almost everything they do is to the detriment of consoles in the long run. Lockheart not having a disc drive, and popularizing digital purchases even further would weaken consoles as a whole. What's next, Denuvo on Xbox? 

It has nothing to do with it. It is about price. A PC that runs next gen made games will be hell expensive. If it was possible to build a next gen level PC at 400-500 bucks more people would opt to build a PC because it serves for other tasks besides gaming only.



trunkswd said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

One of the best things about consoles is the ability to own physical games. I really feel like Xbox is the fifth column of consoles. Almost everything they do is to the detriment of consoles in the long run. Lockheart not having a disc drive, and popularizing digital purchases even further would weaken consoles as a whole. What's next, Denuvo on Xbox? 

It was just an example of ways Microsoft could save money. Who knows. They could release 2 versions of Lockhart. 1 with and 1 without a disc drive. I have personally bought all my games digitally this entire generation on the Xbox One and PS4. Only reason I buy physical copies on the Switch is its lack of storage to fit more than a game or two at a time. 

If you are going to go digital, why not just buy all your multiplats on PC? The game would run better, and you'd get slightly cheaper prices from PC storefronts than from console digital stores. At this rate, I only get multiplats on console if...

 Game has denuvo on PC. 

or 

Game is cheaper at launch on consoles

or

It's a good game for Switch



trunkswd said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

If you are going to go digital, why not just buy all your multiplats on PC? The game would run better, and you'd get slightly cheaper prices from PC storefronts than from console digital stores. At this rate, I only get multiplats on console if...

 Game has denuvo on PC. 

or 

Game is cheaper at launch on consoles

or

It's a good game for Switch

My PC is outdated and it would cost me well over $1,000 to upgrade it. I generally wait for sales on the Xbox / PS Store before buying most games. Plus Game Pass means I don't need to buy all the Microsoft first-party games. 

Yeah, now's a bad time to upgrade anyway. New GPUs coming this summer/fall.