Chazore said:
Nautilus said:
No, this discussion has nothing to do with elitism.It has, however, with the notion that everything has to appeal to everyone at the same time, and the subsequent "silent" rule that if the game you like dosen't fit in that rule, you are alt-right(stupid expression)/elitist/gatekeeper or whatever expression people come up these days to insult people when they run out of arguments.You could call it to be political correctness, but I like to call it the Dictatorship in the guise of the Greater Good.
The Epic Store discussion is just stupid because no one is stopping you from playing that game, you just have to download a free launcher.If you call what I am saying "elitism", then yours is just plain arrogance, since it costs you and anyone nothing a game coming to one launcher than the other.
And yeah, I am in the minority, if you could call millions of players(that like this type of gameplay) minority, sure.But you also are.Why? Because it boils down to one thing that no one going against me has presented thus far:Evidence. How large is my minority?Well, the 4 million+ players that bought Sekiro, the 2 millions+ that bought Hollow Knight, the 4 million+(Not sure of this one) players that bought Dark Souls 3, and so on and so on.
So I ask you: How large is your majority, that would " only" play games with multiple difficulties?How would you prove that you are the majority, other than a supposed "common sense"? And even if 51% of the players worldwide wants multiple difficulties in every game, would you trample the minorities right to have SOME games with the difficulty they desire?Because fuck them, since they don't share your opinion?Or would you trample over the developer wishes to make the game as they seem fit, since they over the games right and thus to do whatever they want to do with it?(outside of mods, once someone buys a game, they can do whatever they want with it as long as they don't profit over it)
There is one quote, that I don't remember where I read, that I always really liked:
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
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Yes it does. The very fact you have to argue the validation of not allowing for optional difficulty stems from it. If you have no qualms of games (especially Souls-like) having options, you wouldn't bar the gates.
Also no, enough with the "every game doesn't have to appeal to you" as a means of deflection the mere staple of all games, in having difficulty choices. Having choice does and will never equate to "game having to be made for X person", trying to suggest it is, is simply warping and twisting it to the extreme.
It's funny you call the likes of Gatekeeper as an insult, when it specifically states:
Definition of gatekeeper 1: one that tends or guards a gate 2: a person who controls access
Nowhere does it state that it is used as an insult or invented as one. Only those who tend to feel in the wrong will claim it as such (If you don't want to be cited as it, don't do it, it's that simple).
EGS has nothing to do with the topic, nothing to do with elitism, and it feels like you just want to call me stupid because I don't follow your viewpoint. I feel like my mere mentioning of "whining" had touched a soft spot, hence your need to mention me and EGS in a topic where it doesn't fit at all. Also no, I don't support EG as a company, their philosophy nor their practices, and I especially dislike their anti-consumer, anti-competitive take, and to top it all off, no, I don't want to use another shitty bare-bones client, I've got enough of those already. I prefer having my library in at least 1-2 places, 1 at most (like console gamers mostly want).
Yes I can, because if you're wanting to not call them a minority, then what does that make the non souls gamers out there, ghosts, nothing?. You have to look at it from the bigger angle, there are more gamers out there not interested or not playing Souls or Souls-like games in general, be they PC gamer, console gamer and mobile gamer. You know very well mobile gamers already dwarf console gamers, and as such they'll dwarf Souls-like, hell even CoD gamers dwarf Souls and Soul-like. We could look at a myriad of specific genres and franchises where said player numbers dwarf Souls games. Souls is not the new CoD, they aren't within the same vein of casual shooters, they are niche for a reason, and yes, there's billions of us on this tiny rock so a few million becomes a drop in the bucket within this industry, let alone outside it. You can't just defy the laws of reality and go "millions>billions", because that'd never fly, and you know this. I already know full well I'm the minority within the RTS genre, but I'm not going to kick a fuss and turn blue in trying to argue that my genre isn't a minority, because I know it's a reality, and one I cannot deny.
Also, you're forgetting the one thing that the vast majority of games come with: Normal difficulty at the start. Most games start out like this, rather than hard or extreme modes, because that "choice" is left up to the gamer to decide, which makes for the majority of a gamer's playthrough session at the start.
I don't know why you're starting out anti-pol at the start of your quote, but near the end you're pulling a minority victim excuse with "you wouldn't dare trample a minority!".
Well no, I wouldn't need to, because to be frank, society does that in general. Society doesn't want everything to be so hard or difficult, which is why we strive for "options", rather than regressing to medieval times and I dunno, acting like big burly Scotsman, pining for that hard as hell log toss challenge. Also, I want to see games with options, rather than the minority becoming the majority in 50+yrs time and warping an industry, because they thought their ideals were better (they aren't, because it means to regress, and that's not something we should be doing as a species).
"would you trample the minorities right to have SOME games with the difficulty they desire?Because fuck them, since they don't share your opinion?"
You know that can be thrown right back at you with those simply wanting optional difficulty right?. Fuck them for asking, no, fuck them for thinking it, right?.
The road to hell doesn't exist, and I'd like to keep religion well away from this topic.
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