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sales2099 said:
HollyGamer said:

Cross gen will not make a smooth transition instead " super extreme  hard transition ". Gamer will not smoothly change to new platform instead waiting for a reason to change and to upgrade, gamer 100 % will obviously (no rocket science) will stay on current platform if a lot of launch games are cross gen. Gamer logically will think that is unnecessary to upgrade if games can be achievable or available on current gen. 

In the other way smooth transition can be achievable by product price that is relatively affordable, backward compatibility, accessibility, a reason  for upgrade (value , uniqueness ) , market readiness, macro economic situation on global scale, product availability on the place. 

There will always be late and early adopters. Many want something new and or the best version. Others don’t have the budget or even desire to get a shiny new console when they just got a Xbox x. 

You mentioned “gamers logically”....just as many gamers are the opposite of that lol. I am NOT a early adopter for my entire life, but I know MS gonna push Halo Infinite marketing hard. I’m almost certain their will be a limited edition console. MS has me by the balls and I’m day 1 buying...but also I have the money to not have the “poor mans” version. I have the means to play the best, that’s what I’ll do 

Please explain how crossgen will help push the early adopters to go to Xbox if they want the new and best version, while Sony will have the game they really need to buy a new console to play and will also allow then to carry over their games from PS4? To me it seems like they will both be better at keeping their current userbase plus luring Xbox gamers.



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sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

Pro consumer... ha ha. The only reason MS is launching their games everywhere is that they have NO CHOICE. Nobody buy their console. 

Damn you really are a blind pro MS. Thinking a billionaire company is pro consumer. I love my PlayStations but you will never hear me talking non sense like pro consumer about these companies.

If making your games cross gen and making PC versions of their exclusives isn’t more pro consumer where as Sony locks theirs to one platform, then we have little to talk about. Not to mention the studios MS bought that are making multiplat games, MS is honouring the contracts and will shift to exclusive developing after the current games release. Then you have Minecraft which I guarantee Sony wouldn’t be as liberal with its availability. 

So yes, I do believe I have evidence to say Ms is more progressive then Sony. You can cite how they lost the gen but who cares...you making excuses and I’m talking results 

One could say Sony is more pro their consumer by investing more on the platform they chose.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

Pro consumer... ha ha. The only reason MS is launching their games everywhere is that they have NO CHOICE. Nobody buy their console. 

Damn you really are a blind pro MS. Thinking a billionaire company is pro consumer. I love my PlayStations but you will never hear me talking non sense like pro consumer about these companies.

If making your games cross gen and making PC versions of their exclusives isn’t more pro consumer where as Sony locks theirs to one platform, then we have little to talk about. Not to mention the studios MS bought that are making multiplat games, MS is honouring the contracts and will shift to exclusive developing after the current games release. Then you have Minecraft which I guarantee Sony wouldn’t be as liberal with its availability. 

So yes, I do believe I have evidence to say Ms is more progressive then Sony. You can cite how they lost the gen but who cares...you making excuses and I’m talking results 

No no, come back to Earth. I am talking results, by stating MS doesn't only lost this gen, but all of them. Straight facts.

And I repeat there are no Xbox console on the Top 6 and soon Top 7 of best selling console of all time. I have to repeat it because it seems you didn't get it the first time. 

Sony and Nintendo got the success, and know that they sell a lot consoles, so they do what the winner do : exclusive games that sells consoles. That's business.

Quite the opposite for MS... MS is doing what losers do : share their games with everybody and that's business too. They don't do that because they are kind, oh no, not at all. They do that because that's the best thing to do when you are the loser and don't sell any console. They understood that they will never win a console generation so the best thing to do is sell more games everywhere. 

So stop your "MS are so kind" non sense. But yes that's cool that people don't have to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games today. I can play it on my PC, the only problem is I don't like Halo/Gears and Forza.

I'm done about this subject.

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To come back to the main thread, Sony do the right thing for the business, wait until the last moment to give the price is the best thing to do. Sure MS are not a serious rival like Nintendo is, but you got to stay focus everytime.

Last edited by Keiji - on 05 February 2020

DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

There will always be late and early adopters. Many want something new and or the best version. Others don’t have the budget or even desire to get a shiny new console when they just got a Xbox x. 

You mentioned “gamers logically”....just as many gamers are the opposite of that lol. I am NOT a early adopter for my entire life, but I know MS gonna push Halo Infinite marketing hard. I’m almost certain their will be a limited edition console. MS has me by the balls and I’m day 1 buying...but also I have the money to not have the “poor mans” version. I have the means to play the best, that’s what I’ll do 

Please explain how crossgen will help push the early adopters to go to Xbox if they want the new and best version, while Sony will have the game they really need to buy a new console to play and will also allow then to carry over their games from PS4? To me it seems like they will both be better at keeping their current userbase plus luring Xbox gamers.

Cross gen has no impact on early adopters whatsoever. Early adopters just want the newest thing and or best version. Cross gen is for the millions that aren’t ready. It simply builds good will. 

Your last sentence has merit, though I can add that Xbox as a service is all about luring people who aren’t interested in console (PC versions) while keeping all console consumer demographics happy. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

If making your games cross gen and making PC versions of their exclusives isn’t more pro consumer where as Sony locks theirs to one platform, then we have little to talk about. Not to mention the studios MS bought that are making multiplat games, MS is honouring the contracts and will shift to exclusive developing after the current games release. Then you have Minecraft which I guarantee Sony wouldn’t be as liberal with its availability. 

So yes, I do believe I have evidence to say Ms is more progressive then Sony. You can cite how they lost the gen but who cares...you making excuses and I’m talking results 

One could say Sony is more pro their consumer by investing more on the platform they chose.

Given how many ways there is to do everything we want and tastes of consumers, locking everything to one platform is a stretch to say what you are saying. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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Keiji said:
sales2099 said:

If making your games cross gen and making PC versions of their exclusives isn’t more pro consumer where as Sony locks theirs to one platform, then we have little to talk about. Not to mention the studios MS bought that are making multiplat games, MS is honouring the contracts and will shift to exclusive developing after the current games release. Then you have Minecraft which I guarantee Sony wouldn’t be as liberal with its availability. 

So yes, I do believe I have evidence to say Ms is more progressive then Sony. You can cite how they lost the gen but who cares...you making excuses and I’m talking results 

No no, come back to Earth. I am talking results, by stating MS doesn't only lost this gen, but all of them. Straight facts.

And I repeat there are no Xbox console on the Top 6 and soon Top 7 of best selling console of all time. I have to repeat it because it seems you didn't get it the first time. 

Sony and Nintendo got the success, and know that they sell a lot consoles, so they do what the winner do : exclusive games that sells consoles. That's business.

Quite the opposite for MS... MS is doing what losers do : share their games with everybody and that's business too. They don't do that because they are kind, oh no, not at all. They do that because that's the best thing to do when you are the loser and don't sell any console. They understood that they will never win a console generation so the best thing to do is sell more games everywhere. 

So stop your "MS are so kind" non sense. But yes that's cool that people don't have to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games today. I can play it on my PC, the only problem is I don't like Halo/Gears and Forza.

Ya you have some balls calling me blind when you yourself need a visit to the eye doctor and not aware of it ;) I like tour take on history, given that Nintendo lost with the N64, GameCube, and WiiU...where as 360 beat Sony the entire gen and only cause of Japan did PS3 creep up to 2nd in the final months. Bravo....only someone like you can spin that MS was never successful in the industry, nevermind admit they are successful in their own right despite a terrible misguided 2013 launch. 

Winning breeds laziness and losing breeds more effort. Loving Game Pass and backwards compatibility, and it’ll be years before Sony cares enough to make PS Now and their own BC a priority. Now MS staffed up on a ton of studios. Losing never felt so good :). 

But hey, I remember a time where sales of a gaming console meant more to me then actually playing games. Good times, but I realize that’s not the point of being passionate about gaming. One day you’ll get there too. 

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Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
HollyGamer said:

Probably for Xbox community being cross gen is the best choice due to how Microsoft treat generational games as cross gen and console gen as an upgrade rather than a new generation . late adopters will be much more on Xbox side because most of gamers already has Xbox One X or they think it's not worth to even upgrade. Also Xbox are very weak on games in 8th gen less games are produce and lee quality games were produce on Xbox One. I can see they are willing to enjoy 8th gen games longer than PS4.

Sony fans a little bit different they hungry for new Ip and new innovation, they already has enough 8th gen games and ready for next gen. :)

That’s a bit funny considering Xbox has Bleeding Edge, Grounded, Everwild, and Project Mara announced for new and innovative Ips and Sony just revealed the same font style for PS5. Maybe wait till Sony is less quiet before you can make these arguments going forward ;)

Even Knack is much better than all those title you have mentioned

 

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sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

No no, come back to Earth. I am talking results, by stating MS doesn't only lost this gen, but all of them. Straight facts.

And I repeat there are no Xbox console on the Top 6 and soon Top 7 of best selling console of all time. I have to repeat it because it seems you didn't get it the first time. 

Sony and Nintendo got the success, and know that they sell a lot consoles, so they do what the winner do : exclusive games that sells consoles. That's business.

Quite the opposite for MS... MS is doing what losers do : share their games with everybody and that's business too. They don't do that because they are kind, oh no, not at all. They do that because that's the best thing to do when you are the loser and don't sell any console. They understood that they will never win a console generation so the best thing to do is sell more games everywhere. 

So stop your "MS are so kind" non sense. But yes that's cool that people don't have to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games today. I can play it on my PC, the only problem is I don't like Halo/Gears and Forza.

where as 360 beat Sony the entire gen and only cause of Japan did PS3 creep up to 2nd in the final months.

And that was the best performance MS ever did in the entire console industry. That's something to be proud of ? Finishing third place ? Specially when we know that 360 players bought several consoles because of the RROD ?

There was no RROD this generation, no PlayStation out one year late and look at how things go for Xbox. So yes I said it again, MS was never successful on the console industry. You probably live in America, but the thing is WorldWide is the key and they never was successful. And unfortunatly again for you Japan is part of the World.

How can you say that MS was successful in the console industry when they have no single one console on the best selling console list ? You are talking to me about N64, Wii U, Game Cube... But at the end of the day, Nintendo knows what it's like to have consoles on the best selling list. So yes, again, Nintendo, just like Sony, totally slap MS in the console industry.

Worlwide numbers don't lie. You live in your bubble in America, me I see the big picture. I don't care about one market. Where I live PS4 is outselling Xbox by 4:1 ratio minimum, but I know it's juste one market so I don't act like it's the same everywhere else.

Last edited by Keiji - on 05 February 2020

HollyGamer said:
sales2099 said:

That’s a bit funny considering Xbox has Bleeding Edge, Grounded, Everwild, and Project Mara announced for new and innovative Ips and Sony just revealed the same font style for PS5. Maybe wait till Sony is less quiet before you can make these arguments going forward ;)

Even Knack is much better than all those title you have mentioned

 

Careful, your fanboy is showing. It’s unbecoming to compare a mediocre game to ones that aren’t out yet. You deflected the actual point instead of taking the L. Until Sony announces something other then a font, Xbox has more new IPs and games. My the times are starting to change 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Keiji said:
sales2099 said:

where as 360 beat Sony the entire gen and only cause of Japan did PS3 creep up to 2nd in the final months.

And that was the best performance MS ever did in the entire console industry. That's something to be proud of ? Finishing third place ? Specially when we know that 360 players bought several consoles because of the RROD ?

There was no RROD this generation, no PlayStation out one year late and look at how things go for Xbox. So yes I said it again, MS was never successful on the console industry. You probably live in America, but the thing is WorldWide is the key and they never was successful. And unfortunatly again for you Japan is part of the World.

How can you say that MS was successful in the console industry when they have no single one console on the best selling console list ? You are talking to me about N64, Wii U, Game Cube... But at the end of the day, Nintendo knows what it's like to have consoles on the best selling list. So yes, again, Nintendo, just like Sony, totally slap MS in the console industry.

Worlwide numbers don't lie. You live in your bubble in America, me I see the big picture. I don't care about one market. Where I live PS4 is outselling Xbox by 4:1 ratio minimum, but I know it's juste one market so I don't really care.

Nice job ignoring the actual point I made in the middle. Where winning breeds laziness and losing breeds better change. I’ve been enjoying Xbox in the last couple years just like I was at 360s peak from 2007-2010.

You are where I was 8 years ago. Where sales matters more then gaming itself. I remember sleeping like a baby every day PS3 was a global last place product....but that is just a toxic form of fan looking back. I wish you well 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.