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There are already some critics saying that Merkel and the state governments are arrogant to open up so quickly. I think it's fine because we have a robust contingency plan.

Since we have not overwhelmed our healthcare system and have even ramped up its capability we'll have more capacity to test and trace on a local level. There are also explicit talks about raising health workers' pay. There is a fixed number of 50 cases per 100000 people in any given local district at which point that district will have to put in place harsher measures while every other part of Germany can continue as usual, while also doing extensive tracing. I think that's a really solid plan with a clear threshold.

It's basically what should be done in perpetuity until we find a vaccine or treatment. I hope in the coming months we'll be able to set the threshold lower.



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vivster said:
There are already some critics saying that Merkel and the state governments are arrogant to open up so quickly. I think it's fine because we have a robust contingency plan.

Since we have not overwhelmed our healthcare system and have even ramped up its capability we'll have more capacity to test and trace on a local level. There are also explicit talks about raising health workers' pay. There is a fixed number of 50 cases per 100000 people in any given local district at which point that district will have to put in place harsher measures while every other part of Germany can continue as usual, while also doing extensive tracing. I think that's a really solid plan with a clear threshold.

It's basically what should be done in perpetuity until we find a vaccine or treatment. I hope in the coming months we'll be able to set the threshold lower.

Yeah the first "wave" of relaxations haven't had any negative impact on infection rate so it's only logical to open up a little more step by step. Many counties only have one new infection per day on average.



vivster said:
There are already some critics saying that Merkel and the state governments are arrogant to open up so quickly. I think it's fine because we have a robust contingency plan.

Since we have not overwhelmed our healthcare system and have even ramped up its capability we'll have more capacity to test and trace on a local level. There are also explicit talks about raising health workers' pay. There is a fixed number of 50 cases per 100000 people in any given local district at which point that district will have to put in place harsher measures while every other part of Germany can continue as usual, while also doing extensive tracing. I think that's a really solid plan with a clear threshold.

It's basically what should be done in perpetuity until we find a vaccine or treatment. I hope in the coming months we'll be able to set the threshold lower.

I think some people fail to see the nuances in opening up from lockdown and the various stages through which it will be achieved. Many see it as a straight 0-100 process, where one goes from what they believe is total law-mandated 100% isolation and straight back into "nothin ever happened here" mode, at least this appears to be the Swedish take on it. It's both sad and hilarious to see the protests in certain nations and regions too; prolonging the current situation and forcing more intrusive rules and enforcement seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. 

It's in times like these we get to see what people are really like, so far I'm not terribly impressed, and that goes for leadership and population alike.



vivster said:
SpokenTruth said:
Just an observation but US, UK, Russia and Brazil are all having the overwhelming bulk of cases and deaths lately.

Today:
New Cases (Big 4) - 54,025
New Cases (RoW) - 41,300

New Deaths (Big 4) - 3,930
New Deaths (RoW) - 2,881

Population (Big 4) - 757,382,541
Population (RoW) - 7,025,352,059

1/10th the population but more than half the new cases and deaths?

I wonder what these 4 countries have in common these days.

A far right nationalist extremist as head of state.

But Australia has the same far right nationalist extremist as head of state and they're doing OK.



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It was closed due to Covid-19.
Karen exercised her 2nd amendment rights.

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Pyro as Bill said:
vivster said:

A far right nationalist extremist as head of state.

But Australia has the same far right nationalist extremist as head of state and they're doing OK.

Because Australia played on easy mode the whole time. You don't need a competent head of state when your natural geography and demography does all the work for you.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Hiku said:

It was closed due to Covid-19.
Karen exercised her 2nd amendment rights.

There were those parents that murdered a security guard because he wouldn't let their daughter in without a mask too.

As if worrying about the virus wasn't enough, gotta worry about loonies with guns too. I'm very happy to live in a country where people can't freely buy guns.

If the US bans guns they'll see an immediate rise in expert knife throwers.



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Today we had our first positive case in a few weeks, which is a bit of a setback.
The individual traveled overseas several months ago and got back into the country before lockdown measures got put in place and always stayed in confinement.

So it is a little disconcerting that an individual can show symptoms several months after the fact, but it is what it is.

I think the Government will hold off on easing restrictions because of it for the immediate future.



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Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

If the US bans guns they'll see an immediate rise in expert knife throwers.

Yeah, the availability of guns isn't the only issue they have, but even so you're more likely to survive having a knife thrown at you than being shot.

That's a perfectly logical assumption you make. Too bad logic is a tool of intellectuals and intellectuals aren't welcome in the US.



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Pemalite said:
Today we had our first positive case in a few weeks, which is a bit of a setback.
The individual traveled overseas several months ago and got back into the country before lockdown measures got put in place and always stayed in confinement.

So it is a little disconcerting that an individual can show symptoms several months after the fact, but it is what it is.

I think the Government will hold off on easing restrictions because of it for the immediate future.

That's a long time for symptoms to develop and I thought they were saying that it doesn't have a dormant state.

Any chance they lived in a tight quarters apartment?  Picked it up from a visitor (food/groceries delivery)?

It happens more often
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-23/coronavirus-test-positive-second-time-how-long-virus-lasts/12175972
https://www.newsweek.com/italian-woman-tests-positive-covid-19-after-60-days-quarantine-swabbing-1500202

Apparently all the re-infections in South Korea were due to tests picking up old traces, could it be that? Or is it possible there are more typhoid Marys walking around with covid19.