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Canada has actually implemented fines for ignoring physical distancing
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4899385

Police may visit the homes of those required to self isolate enforcing the federal Quarantine act.

Fines vary between provinces and cities:

Quebec, Montreal and Quebec city, $1000 fine when 2 or more people not living together are caught together.
Ontario up to $1000 fines but depends on where you live, London minimum $750, Toronto up to $5000 when people walk closer than 2 meters together.
Saskatchewan, $2000 fine for returning travelers that don't self isolate for 14 days
BC, Vancouver $1000 fines for breaking physical distancing rules
Manitoba $486 for the province, yet $1000 in Winnipeg
Alberta, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick also $1000
Prince Edward Island, $1000 first offence, $2000 second, $10,000 third offence.
Newfoundland and Labrador up to $25,000 and or jail time.

The question is, will it be enforced?

However the parliament has rejected the call for more virtual sessions and will be back together today.



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John2290 said:
vivster said:

Isn't it just the oil companies that are fucked?

No. The world runs on oil, everything right down to the food in your belly and the water in your cells. The oil companies have their hands in so much of the supply and it's about to get zapped. We can't hold up essential supplies lines if they aren't standing without severe cost. We're fucked, or at least countries without sufficiency to feed their people. We can't keep much of the anual maintenance now, things start breaking, for example a water pipe and people go without water, Just gonto the store and get bottled water? No, the plastic needs oil, the distributers need oil to get the bottled water to the store and so on. It's just started the final straws of falling apart, we'll start seeing less and less non essential supplies in stores and then less essential supplies. It's already happened to a degree but this secures it. What is the answer? Governments cease the oil to keep things running? Well, that's instant war.  

I wish I was wrong but war is secured, It was secured the moment the virus got out of control, mind. The first country to hop on a war economy and strike first, wins. There ade no other options now, besides for a global one world government but it's far too late for that now. 

And the "most expensive" ways to produce oil, will be the first to go under.

Once that happends, and overproduction stops, deposits (currently full) will drop to normal levels, and production will again go up.
All this means is a few jobs in the oil industry, and some oil companies might go under.
The most likely candidates are the america ones that mainly run on shale + fracking (since their more expensive to run).

"the world runs on oil"

Then its a good thing, we have sooooooo much of it currently, we are haveing issues storeing it.



SvennoJ said:

Canada has actually implemented fines for ignoring physical distancing
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4899385

Police may visit the homes of those required to self isolate enforcing the federal Quarantine act.

Fines vary between provinces and cities:

Quebec, Montreal and Quebec city, $1000 fine when 2 or more people not living together are caught together.
Ontario up to $1000 fines but depends on where you live, London minimum $750, Toronto up to $5000 when people walk closer than 2 meters together.
Saskatchewan, $2000 fine for returning travelers that don't self isolate for 14 days
BC, Vancouver $1000 fines for breaking physical distancing rules
Manitoba $486 for the province, yet $1000 in Winnipeg
Alberta, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick also $1000
Prince Edward Island, $1000 first offence, $2000 second, $10,000 third offence.
Newfoundland and Labrador up to $25,000 and or jail time.

The question is, will it be enforced?

However the parliament has rejected the call for more virtual sessions and will be back together today.

Was that nessary? did Canada have alot of people that werent following guidelines?
Is "bending the curve" not working in canada?

In denmark, Im not even sure if its enforced (I dont think so), people just generally do as is asked of them (for the most part).



Mummelmann said:
vivster said:

Isn't it just the oil companies that are fucked?

Back home (in Norway), the effect of this would be much more severe since oil and gas companies are more or less state-owned and the industry makes up about 35% of the total GDP. The state would essentially tank (pun intended). In a market where the interest and ownership are largely private though, the consequences are much less dire. So, yeah, I think and hope you're right. The oil industry has extremely high profitability and productivity rate per capita and employee, so the actual number of layoffs would be much smaller than if another sector or industry was hit as hard.

You can stay calm for now, as the Brent from the North Sea is still traded at $25 per barrel. The OPEC variants are also all still above $10 per barrel, Canadian crudes above $8. It's just the WTI and other American crudes that have crashed down below 0 - but that's all of them without any exception.

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Look, as an American....nobody hates Trump more than me...He is a clown, and he has the orange hair to prove it. Bring on Joe Biden. He's our only hope. God help us.



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JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:

Canada has actually implemented fines for ignoring physical distancing
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.4899385

Police may visit the homes of those required to self isolate enforcing the federal Quarantine act.

Fines vary between provinces and cities:

Quebec, Montreal and Quebec city, $1000 fine when 2 or more people not living together are caught together.
Ontario up to $1000 fines but depends on where you live, London minimum $750, Toronto up to $5000 when people walk closer than 2 meters together.
Saskatchewan, $2000 fine for returning travelers that don't self isolate for 14 days
BC, Vancouver $1000 fines for breaking physical distancing rules
Manitoba $486 for the province, yet $1000 in Winnipeg
Alberta, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick also $1000
Prince Edward Island, $1000 first offence, $2000 second, $10,000 third offence.
Newfoundland and Labrador up to $25,000 and or jail time.

The question is, will it be enforced?

However the parliament has rejected the call for more virtual sessions and will be back together today.

Was that nessary? did Canada have alot of people that werent following guidelines?
Is "bending the curve" not working in canada?

In denmark, Im not even sure if its enforced (I dont think so), people just generally do as is asked of them (for the most part).

There must be, since it's not as effective as in other places


The schools have been closed since March 16th (first week was March break)
Out of the big four, only BC has shown some decline. It's not growing much anymore, yet daily reported case numbers are still increasing.
British Columbia didn't report any numbers for yesterday or today yet either.



It would be nice if this turned out to be true
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/french-case-raises-questions-over-coronavirus-child-spread-1.4903652

A nine-year-old who contracted COVID-19 in eastern France did not pass the virus on to any other pupils at three ski-schools, according to new research that suggests infants are not large spreaders of the disease.

Through rapid intervention by health authorities, it was ascertained that the child, who only displayed mild symptoms, came into contact with 172 people while sick. All of those were placed in quarantine as a precaution, but none of them contracted COVID-19, not even the child's two siblings. By contrast, 64 per cent of those contacts tested positive for other seasonal illnesses such as flu. Authors of the study said that the case of the child could "suggest that children might not be an important source of transmissions of this novel virus."

An exception or maybe some hope? Of course what would be the safe age limit, and maybe her symptoms were simply too mild. Would it be the same for boys as for girls etc.



KiigelHeart said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The flu has a vaccine that's used every year though. I don't know if they need to change it slightly or whatever, but regardless there is a yearly flu vaccine. It's even given out for free every year in the UK to vulnerable/elderly people.

Yes they need to change it every year and even make an educated guess which vaccine to use. Sometimes it doesn't even work well, sometimes it does. I expect we see something similar with corona in the future. 

Unless they rush this new RNA-vaccine without proper testing and we all die of course :P

The Flu vaccine no longer protects against just one strain, but a multitude of strains, that takes out a chunk of guess work in trying to work out Northern/Southern Hemisphere trends and projecting that onto the next Flu Season.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

Pretty much just reaffirms the idea that Trump is an idiot

Maybe not an idiot, but for sure an egotistical, narcissistic megalomaniac who doesn't, and visibly can't, care about anything but himself.

Nope. He is an idiot.

Only an idiot would suggest unproven medical advice in the middle of a pandemic.

Nighthawk117 said:
Look, as an American....nobody hates Trump more than me...He is a clown, and he has the orange hair to prove it. Bring on Joe Biden. He's our only hope. God help us.

Your "God" doesn't interfere in the affairs of man, don't expect help.

Rather, be proactive, get people to vote... And use the coronavirus (lack of) response and recession as fuel for the fire.



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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

It would be nice if this turned out to be true
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/french-case-raises-questions-over-coronavirus-child-spread-1.4903652

A nine-year-old who contracted COVID-19 in eastern France did not pass the virus on to any other pupils at three ski-schools, according to new research that suggests infants are not large spreaders of the disease.

Through rapid intervention by health authorities, it was ascertained that the child, who only displayed mild symptoms, came into contact with 172 people while sick. All of those were placed in quarantine as a precaution, but none of them contracted COVID-19, not even the child's two siblings. By contrast, 64 per cent of those contacts tested positive for other seasonal illnesses such as flu. Authors of the study said that the case of the child could "suggest that children might not be an important source of transmissions of this novel virus."

An exception or maybe some hope? Of course what would be the safe age limit, and maybe her symptoms were simply too mild. Would it be the same for boys as for girls etc.

You really want those kids back to school ^^

And be a lot less worried about seeing different kids play outside together. Plus my kids would love to see their grand parents again and their nephew. They were all sleeping over there on Friday nights and playing there on Saturdays, every weekend until the new measures came into effect. It's not nice to tell your kids to keep distance to their grand parents when they come over to talk from a safe distance.

Idle hope probably, you still end up having to decontaminate your kids every time they come back home lol. The virus can stick on anything apparently. So if a (unknowingly) sick parent sends a kid to school with active virus on his clothes, back pack, school work etc which gets shared around, still no good.

It's odd anyway. Kids can get infected enough to show up on tests. Why can't they spread it (if they can't)



SvennoJ said:

It would be nice if this turned out to be true
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/french-case-raises-questions-over-coronavirus-child-spread-1.4903652

A nine-year-old who contracted COVID-19 in eastern France did not pass the virus on to any other pupils at three ski-schools, according to new research that suggests infants are not large spreaders of the disease.

Through rapid intervention by health authorities, it was ascertained that the child, who only displayed mild symptoms, came into contact with 172 people while sick. All of those were placed in quarantine as a precaution, but none of them contracted COVID-19, not even the child's two siblings. By contrast, 64 per cent of those contacts tested positive for other seasonal illnesses such as flu. Authors of the study said that the case of the child could "suggest that children might not be an important source of transmissions of this novel virus."

An exception or maybe some hope? Of course what would be the safe age limit, and maybe her symptoms were simply too mild. Would it be the same for boys as for girls etc.

Would be great, but at least here one of the first outbreaks was in a private school with 6-10 year old kids. No new public info came out but I think just a kid caused something between 25 and 70 cases very quickly before the health ministry shut down the school