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Then lets look at Stockholm numbers, as a exsample:

When other countries talk about "dark numbers" (infection you dont know about) its usually by around a factor of 10 or so.

In stockholm sweden claims it has ~5400 confirmed cases of coronavirus (out of the 13,000+).

This is a area with a population of 975,000+.
If ~10% of your population there, really had the virus, the confirmed cases numbers would be much much higher than just the ~5400 reported now.

5%-10% of 975k = ~49,000 to ~97,500 infected.

Going by the factor of 10, rule, Stockhold might actually have around 5% there infected with the virus.

That still means infection needs to spread atleast 10 times as much as it currently has (more other places in sweden).

Stockholm has like 820 deaths to coronavirus (probably slightly higher, since no country has 100% right numbers).
Stockholm has ~440 in the ICU, and probably half of these people will die to it.

Lets say thats the "base" rate now, around 1000 deaths.

To reach 50% infected numbers, that means your 5% rate -> 50% which is a factor of 10.
Those 1000 deaths -> 10,000 deaths in stockholm before 50% rate is hit.

Stockholm is around 1/10th of sweden (975k out of 10,3m).
If the same numbers play out in the rest of sweden (and why wouldnt it, if your allowing herd immunity to reach 50%+).

10,000 x 10 = 100,000+ deaths.

Also with 50% herd immunity your only "half" safe.
Thats when infection start to drop.

This means deaths will keep on going up, for abit even after 50% rate is reached.

Sweden is basically allowing 100k+ people to die, by chooseing this methode, that it might have saved the vast majority off.

Is it just me or do the US numbers feel really low? Considering the late response and the general defiance by some states it feels like the numbers should be double. Of course the US has a big advantage of being fairly stretched out but it still feels way too low.

I guess we can only wait for the year end statistic of total deaths and compare it to the previous year.

The lockdown is stupid for *most* places(This obviously implies exceptions), so yeah, he is not fucking anything.

Plus, he is not influencing people much, this is comming from them.Do you expect epople are happy about being unemployed, or are more afraid of this *weak* virus than starving or being homeless?

The economy does indeed need to be opened up slowly in some states especially those that really don't have much cases or deaths which there are a lot of.

However, the protests in Michigan are straight up idiotic. I realize they are one of the most badly affected states economically but they are also the biggest hot spot in the country after the New York metro, and yes the death toll is simply too high to justify reopening the economy there regardless of how many people are out of work.

People not starving or being homeless without a job is usually handled by a robust social safety net. Are you telling me the US doesn't have one of those?

Feels like a country where people have to fear for their life if they don't have a job has bigger problems than a virus.

People are idiotic for protesting that this lockdown are taking away their sustance and their jobs?That's the question you should be making.

Health and economy are intrensectly linked.You can't work if you are ill, but you can't have health if you are poor.That's what people can't realize, or rather are strting to realize.This virus is killing like 0,001% of the population, and mostly only the people with past complications at that.A full lockdown should have never been one of the options, like I said from the beginning.

Lockdown should have been extended only to the people that are actually in danger( have existing conditions), and life should move on.These protest will only go on, because when you have to make a choice of having no money to pay your bills, and stealing to have food on your table, it's quite obvious the choice people are going to make.

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Yeah sure, there are stupid shit being done by one side, but there are alot of stupid shit being done by the other side, like states aresting people just because they are walking in the street.Which if I need to remind you, is a constitucional right in most countries.Examples are plenty along the thread.

And yeah, Trump has said nothing wrong.I agree with him.In most cases this lockdown is simply stupid.And that's not exclusive to the US.If I was in his position, I would have said the same thing.People who defend this extremist kind of lockdown usually can't see the gigantic damages to the economy that has already been done and will be done, because they usually think that if people don't stay home, this will be the apocalipse where billions will die.That's why having good leaders is hard, because every leader needs to make hard decisions, where nothing is black and white.That's directed to the world, not just Trump so you know, because there are more countries in the world than just the US.

And I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this, far from it actually.The protest are just the tip of the iceberg in my opinion.

The virus is killing more people than any other cause currently in the US, please stop comparing it to losing a job for a few months. As already mentioned before there are various safety nets in place for the people.