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SpokenTruth said:
newwil7l said:

I think it's silly to blame the economy for people's unhealthy habits. A poor excuse really. 

It comes down to the individual and if you want to make time for excercise, you will.

Did I say that was the only reason?  No, I said we'd simply have more time for them both.  Exercising takes time.  Cooking healthy meals takes time.

When I worked full time, went to school full time and had a family to care for, exercise and long cooked meals were simply not possible.  Exercise is more possible now that I've finished school but now my wife and I have opposing shifts which throws the healthy meal.  And there are millions of other families just like mine.

Again, it's not the only reason people don't exercise or eat healthier but it damn sure doesn't help it. 

We've also built our society around the car.  Walk to work, school, damn near anything?  Yeah right.

Guilty. When I still worked for a software company I would often not go home until after 7 pm if not later, result pick up a burger on the way or order a pizza. Sit all day behind a PC, eat fast food on the way home to still have some time left of your free time. So depressing from fall to spring. Go to work in the dark, come home in the dark, who wants to exercise in the dark. I turned my unhealthy life around by quitting that job. Most don't have that luxury.

Luckily in summer I could cycle to work which kept me relatively healthy, yet I'm so much more fit today than when working behind computers all day.



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4/1: US-Italy Charts and other updates:

Italy continues to show a lot of progress.  New cases were up a little over the past 2 days but still down from the peak over a week ago.  Even more welcomed news is the deaths dropped back to levels seen about a week ago too.

The US has shown the opposite as new cases and deaths continue to climb.  The US saw over 1,000 die in one day.  That's the single highest any country has had to deal with, even Italy. 8 states had more than 1,000 new cases.

A sigh of relieve for France as the massive new case spike seen yesterday was temporary.  New cases dropped back to the same level as the day prior to the spike. Deaths, however, were up slightly.

Spain has maintained the same level of new cases per day for a week now.  Seems to be very test limited as deaths have still increased slightly day by day.

Turkey has seen a massive increase in deaths per day over the past 4 days.  Brazil has had back to back spikes in new cases and an sizable increase in deaths over the past 2 days.

India is now of major concern.  Nearly a 5x increase in new cases and frightening 7x increase in deaths.  They are still early in this fight and thy did shut down the whole country over a week ago.  Hopefully they can keep those figures from running away.

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SpokenTruth said:

4/1: US-Italy Charts and other updates:

Italy continues to show a lot of progress.  New cases were up a little over the past 2 days but still down from the peak over a week ago.  Even more welcomed news is the deaths dropped back to levels seen about a week ago too.

The US has shown the opposite as new cases and deaths continue to climb.  The US saw over 1,000 die in one day.  That's the single highest any country has had to deal with, even Italy. 8 states had more than 1,000 new cases.

A sigh of relieve for France as the massive new case spike seen yesterday was temporary.  New cases dropped back to the same level as the day prior to the spike. Deaths, however, were up slightly.

Spain has maintained the same level of new cases per day for a week now.  Seems to be very test limited as deaths have still increased slightly day by day.

Turkey has seen a massive increase in deaths per day over the past 4 days.  Brazil has had back to back spikes in new cases and an sizable increase in deaths over the past 2 days.

India is now of major concern.  Nearly a 5x increase in new cases and frightening 7x increase in deaths.  They are still early in this fight and thy did shut down the whole country over a week ago.  Hopefully they can keep those figures from running away.

Atm it's looking like Spain is going to peak higher than Italy did. With a 3 day average of +8000 new cases in Spain vs Italy down to +4300 new cases a day, Spain will overtake Italy on Friday. Spain should already have peaked, but tests backlogs or simply more testing will skew the data. Spain is still 5 days behind Italy in deaths, still giving hope that they did reach the growth peak on the 26th.

Europe did reach the half million cases discovered today, 500.8K total currently. Tomorrow total cases in the world will be over 1 million.

Everything is picking up a bit mid week, corrections for what was missed or stayed behind in the weekend maybe. It's a cyclic pattern, must be from human behavior, either from reporting/testing or humans being more social on the weekends with the results showing on average 3 to 7 days later. Yet for detected cases they're just over a day behind Italy atm.

India, how reliable do you think the data reporting will be from there? Brazil seems pretty unreliable as well.

And yep, the USA caught up more to Europe again, 8.24 days behind now.



NightlyPoe said:
Darn, crossed the 1,000 death mark exactly on the day the models predicted.

Which models?



SvennoJ said:
SpokenTruth said:

4/1: US-Italy Charts and other updates:

Italy continues to show a lot of progress.  New cases were up a little over the past 2 days but still down from the peak over a week ago.  Even more welcomed news is the deaths dropped back to levels seen about a week ago too.

The US has shown the opposite as new cases and deaths continue to climb.  The US saw over 1,000 die in one day.  That's the single highest any country has had to deal with, even Italy. 8 states had more than 1,000 new cases.

A sigh of relieve for France as the massive new case spike seen yesterday was temporary.  New cases dropped back to the same level as the day prior to the spike. Deaths, however, were up slightly.

Spain has maintained the same level of new cases per day for a week now.  Seems to be very test limited as deaths have still increased slightly day by day.

Turkey has seen a massive increase in deaths per day over the past 4 days.  Brazil has had back to back spikes in new cases and an sizable increase in deaths over the past 2 days.

India is now of major concern.  Nearly a 5x increase in new cases and frightening 7x increase in deaths.  They are still early in this fight and thy did shut down the whole country over a week ago.  Hopefully they can keep those figures from running away.

Atm it's looking like Spain is going to peak higher than Italy did. With a 3 day average of +8000 new cases in Spain vs Italy down to +4300 new cases a day, Spain will overtake Italy on Friday. Spain should already have peaked, but tests backlogs or simply more testing will skew the data. Spain is still 5 days behind Italy in deaths, still giving hope that they did reach the growth peak on the 26th.

Europe did reach the half million cases discovered today, 500.8K total currently. Tomorrow total cases in the world will be over 1 million.

Everything is picking up a bit mid week, corrections for what was missed or stayed behind in the weekend maybe. It's a cyclic pattern, must be from human behavior, either from reporting/testing or humans being more social on the weekends with the results showing on average 3 to 7 days later. Yet for detected cases they're just over a day behind Italy atm.

India, how reliable do you think the data reporting will be from there? Brazil seems pretty unreliable as well.

And yep, the USA caught up more to Europe again, 8.24 days behind now.

I may start a new Spain-Italy chart because of the similarities.  Might add France too.

As for India, who knows?  Not even India will probably know.  Not out of intent to deceive but shear inability to track 1.3 billion people in mostly 3rd world conditions.



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NightlyPoe said:
jason1637 said:

Which models?

This is the one I was thinking of from the University of Washington.  Saw it a over the weekend.  It's the same one that the White House used in its briefing yesterday (though I think their updated one had the estimate slightly lower).  The line crosses right over the intersection of April 1 and 1,000 deaths per day.

Here's a link to the latest version among other graphs.

I wonder what's their methodology for thrse charts. Here in NY state the Governor is saying that we need 110k befs but the chart they had for NY had us needing 76k beds.



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I am praising Germany's robust social and health system, consumer and worker protection, low violent crime rate paired with political and economic strength, which provide the perfect environment to lead a secure and healthy life. Pointing out singular things that are not perfect won't change anything about that.

If Germany is doing so great, then why are thousands of US military personnel over there protecting your German asses?

We're great at domesticating watchdogs for table scraps. Just think of the German Shepherd. The US apparently can't get enough of those scraps. Yummy. Eat up!



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PortisheadBiscuit said:
John2290 said:

Taking smokers out of the equation, people who are obese seem to be in a worse position than the elderly only second to elderly obese people but nobodies talking about this,countries need to tell the very fat people to loose weight and do a "we need you" style campaign. These people at a BMI of 35 could easily shed down below a BMI of 30 in the time needed and aave the damn health system and maybe their lives. Not only that but almost 80% of Americans have some form of underlying health issue and it's usually related to food or excercise, how the hell did you let your country become the cast of WALL E. And Texas... C'mon, how the fuck did that happen. You were supposed to be cow boys and sexy cowgirls, not land whales. 

Yay a fat shaming post in the middle of a pandemic, just what the world needs 

It's not so bad. Instead of getting fully absorbed by the corona hysteria, people should be thinking of all the other things that are connected in the big picture; after all, right now there's more time for that than usual, with so many people either losing their jobs or working only short periods of time each week. Why do Americans get so fat on average? Because corn syrup is omnipresent in processed food. Why is corn syrup everywhere? Because it's sweet and very cheap, so it tastes good and allows manufacturers to pad food instead of having to use healthier and more expensive ingredients to reach the expected size for a meal. It's just one big example of a government putting economic interests of big corporations above the health of the population; tied into that is the pharma industry because it's in their best interest that people aren't healthy.

And yes, it's the government's job to make laws that protect its people, because people don't have the time to research everything all the time. What also ties into food is meat production. Lax laws mean more cheap meat, but it comes at the cost of the environment because of the tremendous amount of animals, both in the masses of food they need to be fed and the questions regarding where there poo should go and the perpetual burping of cows which accounts for quite a significant amount of CO² emissions on this plant. A lot of things are intertwined, so merely tackling the question of how to have less fat people would help with a bunch of other seemingly unrelated problems as well.

A few European countries have passed a tax on sugar and the response of the mighty Coca Cola company was that they notably reduced the amount of sugar in their soda pops. Capitalism is good because it rewards effort and therefore pushes people to work hard, but governments have to act as a responsible check to contain capitalism, because in its purest form capitalism is extremely dangerous. The biggest flaw in the current setup of industrialized nations is that people tend to be corrupt, so money can buy laws or the lack thereof; that allows corporations to get richer and repeat this cycle, and that's how the world got so much pollution and fat people.

So yes, we should have no more very fat people. But the responsibility for that lies in large part with the governments who have to make laws that discourage companies from producing very unhealthy food. If the population cannot buy such questionable food, then there aren't obese people in the first place. You see, fat shaming can have its benefits because it can get people to think about the big picture more critically; if it wasn't allowed to talk about fat due to "protecting the feelings of fat people" or some other form of political correctness, then the obesity problem will inevitably persist.



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