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shikamaru317 said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

I think it's become quite obvious that Square Enix just can't properly manage their Western studios at all. Not surprising at all that Outriders is likely to flop considering Square Enix didn't have a successful Western game the entire last generation.

Agreed on the first part, though I'm pretty sure that all 3 games games on the Tomb Raider reboot series as well as Deus Ex: Mankind Divided eventually made a profit, possibly Sleeping Dogs did as well, it's just that none of them made a profit as fast as Square wanted them to turn a profit. But yeah, Square mismanages their western division for sure. They let Sleeping Dogs lie (pun intended) by letting it go dormant and closing the studio that developed it, even though it sold pretty well lifetime and only had a high budget due to it's long dev cycle as a True Crime series game before it turned into a new IP instead, a budgetary problem that a sequel wouldn't have had. They took both Eidos and Crystal Dynamics off their relatively successful Deus Ex and Tomb Raider series to make them work on a GaaS Avengers game which flopped hard, selling about half the copies in the first quarter that Square expected. They mishandled IO Interactive and Hitman and then tried to sell them off, and IOI used their own money to buy their independence. And now, as of yesterday, I learned that they took Dontnod off of Life Is Strange and gave it to another studio, which will likely kill LiS. It is mind-boggling just how mismanaged Square's western division has been over the years. Just Cause is just about the only thing they haven't ruined. 

If the rumors of Square looking to sell off the whole western division are true, I hope that MS goes for it. Would be nice to have Crystal/Tomb Raider and Eidos/Deus Ex, as well as the Sleeping Dogs, Thief, and Life Is Strange IP's, plus I assume Square's publishing rights/co-ownership of Just Cause would go to MS. But the rumor was that Square was considering selling the western division to Ubisoft instead, and that was months ago, so it may have been a false rumor or the deal fell through. 

Just for clarification, I wasn't talking about all the SqEnix Western games being total flops, I was talking about them not being successful. I agree that Tomb Raider games made profit most likely, but they still performed worse than SqEnix probably expected. As for Deus Ex, I doubt it made profit tbh, it was selling with -80% discount at physical retail, at least here where I live less than a year after it was released and it is still being sold that cheap. SqEnix put Deus Ex on the shelf for a reason. Sleeping Dogs is a X360-generation game, so it simply doesn't fall into the "last-generation" category.



 

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Ryuu96 said:

The tweet itself is irrelevant but all the Xbox folk (Jez, Rand, Parris, Shpeshal, etc.) replying to him betting against him so confidently is interesting

How is that interesting? Those people have been adamant in their position on this from the start.



Elden ring trailer leaked. Its very blurry though. 



Gears operation 6 trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUsiWHgDHik

Now every operation gets new maps/characters every 5 weekish.






Elden Ring literally looks like an open world Dark Souls https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axP6el8Xzu0



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More and more leaks for Elden Ring, FromSoft is reusing a ton of assets from Dark Souls from animations and abilities.

This game is just Darks Souls 4, disappointing in a way but I still know that the game will be great.



EspadaGrim said:

More and more leaks for Elden Ring, FromSoft is reusing a ton of assets from Dark Souls from animations and abilities.

This game is just Darks Souls 4, disappointing in a way but I still know that the game will be great.

If that trailer is anything to go by, well I have to say that my interest is fading fast.  Really not looking for another Dark Souls game with a different name.  I would rather have something totally different on the order like Sekiro.  All new mechanics including boss battles etc.  Once we get to see this video in all its glory, I am really hoping From Software show out something separating this from their Souls games.  Bloodborne, Seikro you name it but please not something that is dark souls reskinned.



VersusEvil said:

A more expansive Dark Souls world with more traditional RPG elements is something I've wanted since the moment I played Demon Souls way back in 2009 and Elden Ring sounds kinda like that. By biggest worry with Elden Ring is the unknown difficulty, I'm worse at video games now than I was a decade ago by alot and Sekiro is the only game I've ever walked away from due to difficulty and I don't want any of that toxic elitist bullshit of "git gud" ... I just could not play that game and if Elden Ring is even close to Sekiro then fuck it .. I'm not interested.

I believe you should give Sekiro another go.  One of the issues I believe a lot of Souls players experience with Sekiro is not the difficulty but how very different its mechanics is to a From Software Souls game.  The basis of Sekiro is the parry system.  The parry system is what allows you to insta kill a boss or mini boss character by depleting their posture.  They system really isn't as punishing as it is in a regular souls game but its the main system in Sekiro which takes getting use to.  Actually its better to parry their attacks and reduce their posture then it is to actually hit them.  Once you develop your timing here, the game opens up.  Also using your items will also make boss fights and mini boss fights a lot easier as well.  Things like the ash you can throw in the face of an enemy makes a world of difference in how you gain advantage.  

Anyway, I do understand where you are coming from but I really rather From Software take what is good with the Souls games and continue that series using those mechanics and expand the combat.  For a new IP, I want them to do something on the level of Bloodborne and Sekiro where me taking my souls skills into the game gets me killed because its not a Souls game but its own separate system.

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Machiavellian said:
VersusEvil said:

A more expansive Dark Souls world with more traditional RPG elements is something I've wanted since the moment I played Demon Souls way back in 2009 and Elden Ring sounds kinda like that. By biggest worry with Elden Ring is the unknown difficulty, I'm worse at video games now than I was a decade ago by alot and Sekiro is the only game I've ever walked away from due to difficulty and I don't want any of that toxic elitist bullshit of "git gud" ... I just could not play that game and if Elden Ring is even close to Sekiro then fuck it .. I'm not interested.

I believe you should give Sekiro another go.  One of the issues I believe a lot of Souls players experience with Sekiro is not the difficulty but how very different its mechanics is to a From Software Souls game.  The basis of Sekiro is the parry system.  The parry system is what allows you to insta kill a boss or mini boss character by depleting their posture.  They system really isn't as punishing as it is in a regular souls game but its the main system in Sekiro which takes getting use to.  Actually its better to parry their attacks and reduce their posture then it is to actually hit them.  Once you develop your timing here, the game opens up.  Also using your times will also make boss fights and mini boss fights a lot easier as well.  Things like the ash you can throw in the face of an enemy makes a world of difference in how you gain advantage.  

Anyway, I do understand where you are coming from but I really rather From Software take what is good with the Souls games and continue that series using those mechanics and expand the combat.  For a new IP, I want them to do something on the level of Bloodborne and Sekiro where me taking my souls skills into the game gets me killed because its not a Souls game but its own separate system.

Totally agree on this one. I found Sekiro battle system way more satisfying than Dark Souls or Bloodborne. I've played DS1, DS3, Bloodborne and Sekiro but Sekiro was the only one where I didn't give up and finished it in the end.



 

Nice, FarCry 4 on sale. I was going to pick up a cheap used copy since it got the 60fps upgrade. I can get the digital gold edition for the same price.