crissindahouse said: Is it true Spelunky 2 is only on PS and Steam even though they had a deal with MS for the first Spelunky on Gamepass? Some devs... |
True. I think it was announced timed-exclusive for PS long time ago. The first one was a timed exclusive on 360.
shikamaru317 said:
Now compare that to the rumored moneyhats so far:
- Street Fighter 6 timed exclusivity
- Final Fantasy 16 timed exclusivity
- Silent Hill full exclusivity
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FF16 is almost a given at this point. SF6 - maybe, but I won't say it would make much sense for Sony. All SF community is already on PS because of SF5 exclusivity, so not sure what Sony gets from it. Silent Hill also I would say unlikely as a Twitter account was found for it and it has someone from MS as a follower. I doubt that MS employee would follow the hidden Silent Hill account if it was gonna be PS timed exclusive.
Spade said:
Yo listen Xbots, gotta call a spade a spade here. Is MS/SEGA striking a deal to not put out the PS5 version? If they are that's BS and should be called out too. I can't sit over here and be mad about FF 16 and other big moneyhats if MS and SEGA are pulling similar shit. I mean the PS5 version, hell even the PS4 version will surely outsell the SeriesX/One version combined, but we still haven't seen anything of it.
Might be prioritizing Series X, but I also do not think it's coming to game pass day one either. Either way, PS should also be getting to experience Yakuza Like a Dragon on PS5.
Any clarification on this would be good. To me, this looks like a weak moneyhat.
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Not sure if it can be considered as a moneyhat, but as I see it, Sega hasn't intended to bring Yakuza 7 to next gen at launch. MS was interested in having Series X optimized version at console's launch, so they paid Sega to get them to make Series X version for console's launch. PS5 version is expected to release when it's ready sometime after game's release.
Ryuu96 said:
Yup, this is already dampening my hype for next gen, I just hope it's shit I don't care about - Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, etc, but it sounds like it will be a lot more than that, shit practice.
Just had a thought, if these timed exclusives after their exclusivity period ended launched straight into Gamepass would that that make any of you feel better about the moneyhatting? I feel like Microsoft would be in a better position to negotiate deals too.
For example, IIRC Gamepass is paid upfront by an estimate of how many users it would cover + extra if they reach certain milestones, Microsoft could be like, well we doubt the game is going to sell that great on Xbox now considering it's been timed exclusive to PS consoles for a year, so why not just take our upfront payment (which would be lower than if it was a multiplatform release) and receive more if you reach any milestones.
If it's a game I genuinely like, from a major publisher who doesn't even need these moneyhat deals, I would be majorly put off purchasing it day one unless there's some discount or Gamepass.
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Not really. I also wouldn't be happy if Xbox users would just play these games on GamePass instead of buying them just to piss off publishers for making these deals. It would make the situation even worse in the future. Because it will decrease the sales of games on Xbox even further, making it even cheaper for Sony to offer such deals. The less game sales on Xbox, the cheaper it is for Sony to moneyhat such deals. And it's also not to mention that Microsoft probably pays to publishers to have their games launch on GamePass as they are definitely losing money on potential sales by doing so. The publishers will be really happy though if industry comes to this. First, they receive a truck load of money to keep the game off Xbox for a year. Then, they receive another truck load of money from MS to launch late port on GamePass. And they won't really lose that much on any sales as Xbox gamers won't be buying games in protest anyway.
shikamaru317 said:
What truly sucks about this, if Imran is right, is the fact that he says that Sony is offering more money to these publishers than MS is. Phil Spencer is the highest tier head Xbox has ever had, he is literally in Microsoft's upper echelon of executives as an executive vice president of gaming, and therefore has more power within MS than any previous Xbox head had. Phil therefore should have the full financial backing of Microsoft behind him, but Imran is making it seem like that is not the case.
Microsoft is worth 16x more than Sony, there should be no situation ever where Microsoft goes to a publisher to offer them money on a marketing deal/exclusivity deal/gamepass deal/whatever, only to learn that Sony offered that publisher more money than MS is willing to spend. MS keeps saying how important gaming is to them, how they want to be the eventual market leaders in the streaming war to come. Well now is the time to put your money where your mouth is Microsoft, put up or shut up. If Sony is willing to spend more money on gaming than you even though they have 16 times less money to spend, then Sony clearly wants to be successful in the gaming industry a hell of alot more than you do Microsoft.
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It's not about MS being worth 16x more than Sony or Phil. Nothing of it has anything to do with it. It's just a simple fact that MS fails to acknowledge and somehow Phil himself always speaks that he doesn't care about it but in reality he must care about it. Xbox is not selling well, that's the fact. Which means that Xbox userbase and potential software sales are way less than on PS. Which results in Sony having to pay way less than MS to get these deals. As we've heard from the same rumors, MS is also looking into getting such deals (and rightfully so), but it just costs them way too much that they think it's not worth it. To be honest, if I were MS, I would pay even if it costs that much because right now is a very important time for them to spend anything that helps them get back to being competitive. Even though, these deals are shitty, they matter to make a platform successful. It's just the way it is. Sony already have a huge advantage coming off extremely successful PS4 gen. MS can't afford to continue being beaten up in next-gen as well.
jason1637 said: Honestly at this point im gonna have to consider getting a PS5 first if they're getting all these moneyhats. |
Well, I would say that it is really weird how everything turned out exactly the opposite of what it seemed from the start of next gen. MS has a lot of positive stuff going on at the beginning of the year - surprise Series X announcement at TGA last December, having more powerful console, all the tech stuff regarding B/C, enhancements for existing games, etc. While Sony on other hand, had a laughable logo reveal and the tech presentation about SSD. It all seemed like MS is really in for the win coming into next gen with a lot of exciting stuff, it was like MS has a well-prepared strategy, a defined roadmap, while the arrogant Sony has come back. Oh boy, how wrong it was. Now all the MS marketing campaign has turned out to be a mess of things that contradict themselves. Both game showcases turned out to be below everyone's expectations. And MS themselves are seemingly already going back with console sales doesn't matter mentality like they were doing during Xbox One gen. Basically admitting defeat before the fight even started. The worst part I would say is that Sony presumably has still a lot of stuff they haven't shown which can blow everyone away, while the only thing that MS still hasn't opened is Lockhart which we all know about and (if it happens) the drop of multiplayer paywall (which seems unlikely now after MS employee spoken up about that). I would say price really matters for MS. They can't afford to sell Series X for more than even digital PS5 at this point given all the stuff that's going on. So, I hope that they understand this pretty well before making a pre-order announcement. I would also say, that they need to drop Gold no matter how it can cost them in a long run. Don't be greedy. This would give a much needed advantage over PS5. If they fuck up the August pricing and services stuff, Series X is gonna be in for a very rough start.