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KiigelHeart said:
750 million sounds insane for an exclusivity deal lol. That kind of money to shit on millions of gamers. Then again it's Sony so I wouldn't be surprised. Not buying their products even if The Witcher 4 was exclusive. F**k off.

That kind of money just sounds to much, For example Xbox could sell the first 15m Series X consoles $50 cheaper and that adds up to $750m and I'd consider that money much better spent than paying to remove access to a game on another platform.



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That money is insane. No way it’s real.



Looked through his twitter, just another PS fanboy concern troll, lol.



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crissindahouse said:
Is it true Spelunky 2 is only on PS and Steam even though they had a deal with MS for the first Spelunky on Gamepass? Some devs...

True. I think it was announced timed-exclusive for PS long time ago. The first one was a timed exclusive on 360.

shikamaru317 said:

Now compare that to the rumored moneyhats so far:

  • Street Fighter 6 timed exclusivity
  • Final Fantasy 16 timed exclusivity
  • Silent Hill full exclusivity

FF16 is almost a given at this point. SF6 - maybe, but I won't say it would make much sense for Sony. All SF community is already on PS because of SF5 exclusivity, so not sure what Sony gets from it. Silent Hill also I would say unlikely as a Twitter account was found for it and it has someone from MS as a follower. I doubt that MS employee would follow the hidden Silent Hill account if it was gonna be PS timed exclusive.

Spade said:

Yo listen Xbots, gotta call a spade a spade here. Is MS/SEGA striking a deal to not put out the PS5 version? If they are that's BS and should be called out too. I can't sit over here and be mad about FF 16 and other big moneyhats if MS and SEGA are pulling similar shit. I mean the PS5 version, hell even the PS4 version will surely outsell the SeriesX/One version combined, but we still haven't seen anything of it.

Might be prioritizing Series X, but I also do not think it's coming to game pass day one either. Either way, PS should also be getting to experience Yakuza Like a Dragon on PS5.

Any clarification on this would be good. To me, this looks like a weak moneyhat. 

Not sure if it can be considered as a moneyhat, but as I see it, Sega hasn't intended to bring Yakuza 7 to next gen at launch. MS was interested in having Series X optimized version at console's launch, so they paid Sega to get them to make Series X version for console's launch. PS5 version is expected to release when it's ready sometime after game's release.

Ryuu96 said:

Yup, this is already dampening my hype for next gen, I just hope it's shit I don't care about - Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, etc, but it sounds like it will be a lot more than that, shit practice.

Just had a thought, if these timed exclusives after their exclusivity period ended launched straight into Gamepass would that that make any of you feel better about the moneyhatting? I feel like Microsoft would be in a better position to negotiate deals too.

For example, IIRC Gamepass is paid upfront by an estimate of how many users it would cover + extra if they reach certain milestones, Microsoft could be like, well we doubt the game is going to sell that great on Xbox now considering it's been timed exclusive to PS consoles for a year, so why not just take our upfront payment (which would be lower than if it was a multiplatform release) and receive more if you reach any milestones.

If it's a game I genuinely like, from a major publisher who doesn't even need these moneyhat deals, I would be majorly put off purchasing it day one unless there's some discount or Gamepass.

Not really. I also wouldn't be happy if Xbox users would just play these games on GamePass instead of buying them just to piss off publishers for making these deals. It would make the situation even worse in the future. Because it will decrease the sales of games on Xbox even further, making it even cheaper for Sony to offer such deals. The less game sales on Xbox, the cheaper it is for Sony to moneyhat such deals. And it's also not to mention that Microsoft probably pays to publishers to have their games launch on GamePass as they are definitely losing money on potential sales by doing so. The publishers will be really happy though if industry comes to this. First, they receive a truck load of money to keep the game off Xbox for a year. Then, they receive another truck load of money from MS to launch late port on GamePass. And they won't really lose that much on any sales as Xbox gamers won't be buying games in protest anyway. 

shikamaru317 said:

What truly sucks about this, if Imran is right, is the fact that he says that Sony is offering more money to these publishers than MS is. Phil Spencer is the highest tier head Xbox has ever had, he is literally in Microsoft's upper echelon of executives as an executive vice president of gaming, and therefore has more power within MS than any previous Xbox head had. Phil therefore should have the full financial backing of Microsoft behind him, but Imran is making it seem like that is not the case.

Microsoft is worth 16x more than Sony, there should be no situation ever where Microsoft goes to a publisher to offer them money on a marketing deal/exclusivity deal/gamepass deal/whatever, only to learn that Sony offered that publisher more money than MS is willing to spend. MS keeps saying how important gaming is to them, how they want to be the eventual market leaders in the streaming war to come. Well now is the time to put your money where your mouth is Microsoft, put up or shut up. If Sony is willing to spend more money on gaming than you even though they have 16 times less money to spend, then Sony clearly wants to be successful in the gaming industry a hell of alot more than you do Microsoft.

It's not about MS being worth 16x more than Sony or Phil. Nothing of it has anything to do with it. It's just a simple fact that MS fails to acknowledge and somehow Phil himself always speaks that he doesn't care about it but in reality he must care about it. Xbox is not selling well, that's the fact. Which means that Xbox userbase and potential software sales are way less than on PS. Which results in Sony having to pay way less than MS to get these deals. As we've heard from the same rumors, MS is also looking into getting such deals (and rightfully so), but it just costs them way too much that they think it's not worth it. To be honest, if I were MS, I would pay even if it costs that much because right now is a very important time for them to spend anything that helps them get back to being competitive. Even though, these deals are shitty, they matter to make a platform successful. It's just the way it is. Sony already have a huge advantage coming off extremely successful PS4 gen. MS can't afford to continue being beaten up in next-gen as well.

jason1637 said:
Honestly at this point im gonna have to consider getting a PS5 first if they're getting all these moneyhats.

Well, I would say that it is really weird how everything turned out exactly the opposite of what it seemed from the start of next gen. MS has a lot of positive stuff going on at the beginning of the year - surprise Series X announcement at TGA last December, having more powerful console, all the tech stuff regarding B/C, enhancements for existing games, etc. While Sony on other hand, had a laughable logo reveal and the tech presentation about SSD. It all seemed like MS is really in for the win coming into next gen with a lot of exciting stuff, it was like MS has a well-prepared strategy, a defined roadmap, while the arrogant Sony has come back. Oh boy, how wrong it was. Now all the MS marketing campaign has turned out to be a mess of things that contradict themselves. Both game showcases turned out to be below everyone's expectations. And MS themselves are seemingly already going back with console sales doesn't matter mentality like they were doing during Xbox One gen. Basically admitting defeat before the fight even started. The worst part I would say is that Sony presumably has still a lot of stuff they haven't shown which can blow everyone away, while the only thing that MS still hasn't opened is Lockhart which we all know about and (if it happens) the drop of multiplayer paywall (which seems unlikely now after MS employee spoken up about that). I would say price really matters for MS. They can't afford to sell Series X for more than even digital PS5 at this point given all the stuff that's going on. So, I hope that they understand this pretty well before making a pre-order announcement. I would also say, that they need to drop Gold no matter how it can cost them in a long run. Don't be greedy. This would give a much needed advantage over PS5. If they fuck up the August pricing and services stuff, Series X is gonna be in for a very rough start.



 

derpysquirtle64 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yup, this is already dampening my hype for next gen, I just hope it's shit I don't care about - Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, etc, but it sounds like it will be a lot more than that, shit practice.

Just had a thought, if these timed exclusives after their exclusivity period ended launched straight into Gamepass would that that make any of you feel better about the moneyhatting? I feel like Microsoft would be in a better position to negotiate deals too.

For example, IIRC Gamepass is paid upfront by an estimate of how many users it would cover + extra if they reach certain milestones, Microsoft could be like, well we doubt the game is going to sell that great on Xbox now considering it's been timed exclusive to PS consoles for a year, so why not just take our upfront payment (which would be lower than if it was a multiplatform release) and receive more if you reach any milestones.

If it's a game I genuinely like, from a major publisher who doesn't even need these moneyhat deals, I would be majorly put off purchasing it day one unless there's some discount or Gamepass.

Not really. I also wouldn't be happy if Xbox users would just play these games on GamePass instead of buying them just to piss off publishers for making these deals. It would make the situation even worse in the future. Because it will decrease the sales of games on Xbox even further, making it even cheaper for Sony to offer such deals. The less game sales on Xbox, the cheaper it is for Sony to moneyhat such deals. And it's also not to mention that Microsoft probably pays to publishers to have their games launch on GamePass as they are definitely losing money on potential sales by doing so. The publishers will be really happy though if industry comes to this. First, they receive a truck load of money to keep the game off Xbox for a year. Then, they receive another truck load of money from MS to launch late port on GamePass. And they won't really lose that much on any sales as Xbox gamers won't be buying games in protest anyway. 

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

If a publisher wants to go the route of giving certain audiences the shaft, in exchange for some immediate compensation, they can't then expect that said audience will later welcome their game with open arms. I'm not going to boycott these games because I want to "piss them off," I'm going to not spend money on these games because they've told me that my money isn't particularly important to them. If you don't want me to believe that my money is not important to you, don't tell me that my money isn't important to you. Simple.

The fact of the matter is that in this day and age, there is an abundance of quality entertainment at all times. Be it games, music, movies, tv shows...whatever. I am literally never lacking for something to watch, play, or listen to. I don't have to concern myself with hurting some publishers feelings, because I didn't happily open my wallet for them regardless of how little effort they make to earn my business. I'm not going to lose a second of sleep over that.

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MS has done BS in the past with money hats, let's not kid ourselves. GTA DLC, Rise of the Tomb Raider, etc. However, to me it looks like they are changing for the better. Investing in game pass and first party above these insane moneyhats I really don't want to hear that BS about those launch "exclusives." Imagine being so short sided that you compare indie games and lower budget game on game pass to multi million dollar publishers like SE or Take Two. There is clearly a distinction. I hope when they are shown there is at least 1/4 the backlash Xbox got for TR though.

As Ryuu said, these timed exclusives from publishers do absolutely nothing except for the 13 year olds that champion this console war BS. Shame on gaming websites for perpetuating this BS as well.



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Ryuu96 said:

FoxyGames doesn't know shit, he's Misterxmedia for Sony.

But lets entertain it, Idk how anyone could be excited for that, I would be pissed if Microsoft wasted $750m on some major timed third party moneyhat instead of using that to invest into their 1st party.

Moneyhats of this scale don't benefit anyone, these games were easily releasing regardless, you was going to get them anyway, the only difference is it fucks over the opposite platform but some folk likely take enjoyment in that.

If Xbox moneyhatted, Idk, Elder Scrolls 6, that shit doesn't benefit me at all, I'd be playing a game that would have existed even without it being moneyhatted, these scale of moneyhats are shit and yeah Rise of the Tomb Raider was shit too.

Continue to invest in 1st party + Gamepass, stuff that actually benefits me as a consumer.

I would disagree with doesn't benefit anyone part. It benefits the platform holder who is doing this first of all, and it also benefits their users long term no matter how shitty it is. Sony has been doing it throughout the entire PS4 gen and of course such deals play a significant part in PS4 becoming a huge success that it is. And PS4 users benefitted from it. It's literally impossible to imagine a game dev not releasing a game on Playstation console considering how huge it is. If MS spending 750m on timed exclusivity for a big game will result in people jumping in to the Xbox ecosystem and strengthtening the Xbox position on the market, if it will result in more games coming to Xbox. OF course I'll be all for it. Who won't? 

But well, I still hope that at some point we won't be seeing such deals, because it's essentially a bribe, which is a crime when it comes to politics, but for some reason it is allowed in gaming industry and not prohibited by any law.



 

derpysquirtle64 said:
Ryuu96 said:

FoxyGames doesn't know shit, he's Misterxmedia for Sony.

But lets entertain it, Idk how anyone could be excited for that, I would be pissed if Microsoft wasted $750m on some major timed third party moneyhat instead of using that to invest into their 1st party.

Moneyhats of this scale don't benefit anyone, these games were easily releasing regardless, you was going to get them anyway, the only difference is it fucks over the opposite platform but some folk likely take enjoyment in that.

If Xbox moneyhatted, Idk, Elder Scrolls 6, that shit doesn't benefit me at all, I'd be playing a game that would have existed even without it being moneyhatted, these scale of moneyhats are shit and yeah Rise of the Tomb Raider was shit too.

Continue to invest in 1st party + Gamepass, stuff that actually benefits me as a consumer.

I would disagree with doesn't benefit anyone part. It benefits the platform holder who is doing this first of all, and it also benefits their users long term no matter how shitty it is. Sony has been doing it throughout the entire PS4 gen and of course such deals play a significant part in PS4 becoming a huge success that it is. And PS4 users benefitted from it. It's literally impossible to imagine a game dev not releasing a game on Playstation console considering how huge it is. If MS spending 750m on timed exclusivity for a big game will result in people jumping in to the Xbox ecosystem and strengthtening the Xbox position on the market, if it will result in more games coming to Xbox. OF course I'll be all for it. Who won't? 

But well, I still hope that at some point we won't be seeing such deals, because it's essentially a bribe, which is a crime when it comes to politics, but for some reason it is allowed in gaming industry and not prohibited by any law.

Yet, meanwhile Microsoft has decreased the money invested in moneyhats and marketing deals, we'll soon see more games coming to Xbox and better services like game pass. I would argue the benefit of moneyhats you describe is quite minimal for consumer.

On previous topic, I'd say it would be good business for publishers to launch their PS5 timed-exclusive games on game pass. They get a shitload of players and potential mtx purchasers, while GP games also seem to sell well. Just look at No Man's Sky, doubt it sold much on Xbox but after game pass they've been boasting about their success.



I think there's still a chance that AT&T changes their mind about selling the WB gaming division in the first place, but we'll see.



Ryuu96 said:

Sure it benefits the platform holder but I don't really care much if a billion $ corporation making billions makes slightly more billions, seriously Sony is doing amazing right now already.

I'm not sure I would agree that Sony did it the entire PS4 gen either? They sold amazing due to a number of factors; Xbox's stumble, 1st party, brand power, hardware + 3rd party - Not really moneyhats on the scale of what is being rumoured - Though it would depend on what you consider a moneyhat, I don't think Microsoft/Sony have been that different in terms of moneyhats for this generation.

Mainline Final Fantasy moneyhat for example would far exceed the vast majority of moneyhats Sony has made this generation and judging from the rumours it sounds like that is just the start and there's even bigger ones.

PS5 would have been a huge success even without the moneyhats, they would have still easily outsold Xbox without them (seriously Xbox isn't ever getting close to PS ever again but that's okay), they'd still be easily raking in billions which PS users would benefit from, no 3rd major party would avoid Playstation regardless.

Destiny, Street Fighter, even Call of Duty deal, all of these happened in the first couple of years into the generation. And yes, as you mentioned, Sony had all the stuff in bold going on for them which made the first push and then they started to double down on it by making these deals, increasing their marketshare even further. For PS5 they don't have the hardware which means that they felt the need to double down on such deals once again. As I've said, this thing is shit and shouldn't be happening but it until it stops working, it's not gonna change. It's a bad, anti-consumer strategy but it works. Sony just literally makes sure that if someone doesn't want to miss out on some big games on the date of release, Playstation is the only option on the console side. And as we've seen, it pays off because as I've already mentioned, skipping Playstation is not an option for game developers.

KiigelHeart said:

Yet, meanwhile Microsoft has decreased the money invested in moneyhats and marketing deals, we'll soon see more games coming to Xbox and better services like game pass. I would argue the benefit of moneyhats you describe is quite minimal for consumer.

On previous topic, I'd say it would be good business for publishers to launch their PS5 timed-exclusive games on game pass. They get a shitload of players and potential mtx purchasers, while GP games also seem to sell well. Just look at No Man's Sky, doubt it sold much on Xbox but after game pass they've been boasting about their success.

Not every game has MTX yet (and hopefully never will). And it seems like that's exactly the type of games Sony is looking to moneyhat, though I can be wrong. FF16 is the most rumored one and I don't see it having any MTX stuff in it. You also seem to have missed the most important part of my post. It would be great for MS and GamePass I guess if these games will do well once they launch on the service and many people will play them. But it would definitely suck for Xbox community if these shitty practice will allow publishers to still be successful on Xbox platform by launching the game later than on PS. Because then it would become the norm which shouldn't happen. In the best case scenario, doing such deals should hurt publishers financially so they would stop doing this.