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My wish list:
1) needs to change to account based linking and be backwards compatible.
2) make the controllers more durable and analogue triggers
3) easy way to backup shit to SD cards (patches, updates etc). longevity to become a retro console.
4) force developers to put the full game on a cart (subsidise the cost of the cart if you have to get this one)
5) DREAMING HERE - be nice if the cart could install the patches updates onto it. Then you got the complete game and can put in any system to play.
6) The dock needs extra juice. At least be 4TFLOPS extra (hopefully handheld mode would be 2TFLOPS) to get a small chance of game ports. Should be able to achieve it since next gen will have ray tracing, so can disable that when ported to switch
7) Replaceable batteries. Let's be honest battery tech isn't advancing fast enough, so may as well have replaceable batteries. That way when the battery also dies you just swap it out for a new one years down the track.



 

 

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The_Liquid_Laser said:

The main thing I fear with the Switch 2 is that Nintendo tries to reinvent the wheel like they do almost every generation.  That instinct is good when their consoles are selling poorly, but since Switch is successful they don't need to change the core philosophy behind it.  Basically just make it a more powerful Switch.  Third party companies already see that the basic concept is successful, so the devs supporting Switch at the end of it's life can be ready to support the Switch 2 from the very beginning.  Specifically:


1. Release date 2023 or 2024
2. Up the power level significantly.  PS4 Pro level sound about right.
3. Make it backwards compatible. 
4. Improve the joy-cons, so there is no more drift.
5. Bigger hard drive.
6. Launch it with Breath of the Wild 3.
7. Price point $300 or less.

I about died at Botw 3 haha that's good. I think the only time Zelda ever came close to three games was the Oracle's, with one never being released (though those wouldn't have been 3 linear experiences). Unless we are counting Lttp, four swords, and between world's?

I'd be stunned if they made a botw 3.



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Apart from the usual (more power, better screen and battery):
- more ergonomic and less "drifty" joycons (with d-pad)
- analogue triggers to all switch controllers
- native voice chat
- better quality dock, kickstand and joycon buckles (preferably metal ones)
- bluetooth audio support (I still can't believe it's not there)
- revamped e-shop and home screen
- in parental control, add downtime range (instead of single bedtime hour)
- more intuitive way of sharing software within family
- more streaming apps, or browser



JRPGfan said:

^ that cannot be done with todays technology....

I think maybe you can get a Switch 2, thats around where the Base PS4 is (when docked).
That could probably be possible in 2021.

That would mean Switch 1 -> Switch 2, is a jump of x3-4 times in terms of power.

Well, that might not be available with todays technology, but who knows what might be capable in 3-4 years. The new Tegra Xavier T194 is capable of pushing out 1.4 TFLOPS at FP32 (compared to Switch 384 GFLOPS in FP32 and the X1 chips full clock at 512 GFLOPS). That's almost a 3 times performance increase in four years. Give it another four years and we could potentially have another 3 times performance increase at ~4 TFLOPS. 

Of course TFLOPS don't mean everything, but with the fact that new architectures come easier programming capabilities it is possible that the next Switch could rival the PS4 Pro in terms of raw power. Besides, a 3-4 times increase in power isn't a generational leap. That would only be slightly larger than the jump from Gamecube to Wii, which was around a 2 times increase in terms of power. 



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Doctor_MG said:
JRPGfan said:

^ that cannot be done with todays technology....

I think maybe you can get a Switch 2, thats around where the Base PS4 is (when docked).
That could probably be possible in 2021.

That would mean Switch 1 -> Switch 2, is a jump of x3-4 times in terms of power.

Well, that might not be available with todays technology, but who knows what might be capable in 3-4 years. The new Tegra Xavier T194 is capable of pushing out 1.4 TFLOPS at FP32 (compared to Switch 384 GFLOPS in FP32 and the X1 chips full clock at 512 GFLOPS). That's almost a 3 times performance increase in four years. Give it another four years and we could potentially have another 3 times performance increase at ~4 TFLOPS. 

Of course TFLOPS don't mean everything, but with the fact that new architectures come easier programming capabilities it is possible that the next Switch could rival the PS4 Pro in terms of raw power. Besides, a 3-4 times increase in power isn't a generational leap. That would only be slightly larger than the jump from Gamecube to Wii, which was around a 2 times increase in terms of power. 

The Xavier is not meant for mobile hardware. It's a large mother board and meant for cars/trucks. It's not designed for something mobile with a battery.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

The main thing I fear with the Switch 2 is that Nintendo tries to reinvent the wheel like they do almost every generation.  That instinct is good when their consoles are selling poorly, but since Switch is successful they don't need to change the core philosophy behind it.  Basically just make it a more powerful Switch.  Third party companies already see that the basic concept is successful, so the devs supporting Switch at the end of it's life can be ready to support the Switch 2 from the very beginning.  Specifically:


1. Release date 2023 or 2024
2. Up the power level significantly.  PS4 Pro level sound about right.
3. Make it backwards compatible. 
4. Improve the joy-cons, so there is no more drift.
5. Bigger hard drive.
6. Launch it with Breath of the Wild 3.
7. Price point $300 or less.

Yeah for sure next gen is the time for Nintendo to iterate, not reinvent.

Agree with all the above, but no way there will be BotW 3 haha. After two BotW's the following Zelda game will no doubt be something different.

I'm sure they will make sure to have an incredible launch game after how much BotW helped the Switch's launch. I think Mario Kart 9 is a given for the launch, and either a Zelda or 3D Mario to go with it.



Doctor_MG said:
JRPGfan said:

Well, that might not be available with todays technology, but who knows what might be capable in 3-4 years. The new Tegra Xavier T194 is capable of pushing out 1.4 TFLOPS at FP32 (compared to Switch 384 GFLOPS in FP32 and the X1 chips full clock at 512 GFLOPS). That's almost a 3 times performance increase in four years. Give it another four years and we could potentially have another 3 times performance increase at ~4 TFLOPS. 

Of course TFLOPS don't mean everything, but with the fact that new architectures come easier programming capabilities it is possible that the next Switch could rival the PS4 Pro in terms of raw power. Besides, a 3-4 times increase in power isn't a generational leap. That would only be slightly larger than the jump from Gamecube to Wii, which was around a 2 times increase in terms of power. 

Power consumption and manufacturing node are factors here, though.

The Tegra X1 consumed 10 - 15 watts to deliver 500 - 600 GFLOPS and even then it had to be underclocked to fit on the Switch. The figure you're quoting probably refers to the 30W TDP option. The Xavier chip under similar power constraints is a 600 - 800 GFLOPS chip. Even when you factor in the IPC gains of the Volta microarchitecture, it's unlikely the average improvement for games would reach a 2 times increase.

Now, we do more or less know how the next three or so upcoming nodes will perform in terms of feature size and power consumption. How close to a PS4 Pro a ~3 nm or so Switch 2 would perform, though, remains to be seen considering we know nothing about future architectural improvements or which clocks or die size Nintendo would use to fit their power and cost constraints. 

But to assume it could match it certainly risks falling into the same optimistic trap a few members here fell into some four years ago, when they were sure the Tegra X1 could deliver a portable console at least matching the Xbox One. And we know how that one turned out.



 

 

 

 

 

Leynos said:

The Xavier is not meant for mobile hardware. It's a large mother board and meant for cars/trucks. It's not designed for something mobile with a battery.

Yes, the die size is roughly two and a half times that of the X1, but the power consumption is still in the 10-15W range. I'll concede, though. 

The Adreno 650 is supposed to be capable 1.2TFLOPS of theoretical performance (yet to release), and that GPU is made for the mobile market. The 640 gets around 1.04TFLOPS of performance (released this year), and the A12X from Apple is supposedly at 1.3 TFLOPS of performance (released last year). 



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