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Chrkeller said:
Switch 2, meh. I hope the next switch is Super Switch.

Love this idea, but calling it Super Switch makes people know it's just a Super Version so I would instead use it for the Pro version and not for it's successor.



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Nintendo started the 9th gen, what are you talking about?

And Nintendo launched the Switch when it did because their 8th gen console bombed harder than anything.They had to.

Probably they will start the 10th gen first and be in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlet, but thats just too soon to discuss.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Nintendo started the 9th gen, what are you talking about?

And Nintendo launched the Switch when it did because their 8th gen console bombed harder than anything.They had to.

Probably they will start the 10th gen first and be in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlet, but thats just too soon to discuss.

Ya I assume we will see the same pattern going forward (as long as conventional consoles remain).

Nov 2013-PS4/XB0

Mar 2017-Switch

Nov 2020-PS5/XB4

2023/2024-Switch 2

2027-PS6/XB5

Etc.



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zorg1000 said:
Nautilus said:
Nintendo started the 9th gen, what are you talking about?

And Nintendo launched the Switch when it did because their 8th gen console bombed harder than anything.They had to.

Probably they will start the 10th gen first and be in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlet, but thats just too soon to discuss.

Ya I assume we will see the same pattern going forward (as long as conventional consoles remain).

Nov 2013-PS4/XB0

Mar 2017-Switch

Nov 2020-PS5/XB4

2023/2024-Switch 2

2027-PS6/XB5

Etc.

Yeah, thats what is probably going to happen.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Jumpin said:
I wonder how a professional Switch is going to allow users to make money? That they're calling it "professional" says a lot about the console.
Are they opening up a monetization avenue for gamers via streaming and competitive gaming?
Are they providing dev tools to users to make their own games?

No bites? I guess I was too obvious =P



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Switch is the succesor to 3DS and the timeframe makes sense. The console portion "generation" is a bonus and not the main focus of the release window. And some in VGC will defend that it is actually the first 9th gen, and that Sony and MS that will release mid gen.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:

In the past a console generation was 4-6 years.  Nintendo was right on time with the Switch.  The screwed up timing comes from Sony and Microsoft.  They are acting like a console generation is 7 years now, but no one is really buying Microsoft hardware right now.  I'm still not sure if Sony can get away with a 7 year generation for PS4 yet.  Sales are falling fast this year, and interesting games are drying up.  PS4 software was much better last year, and Sony skipped E3 showing they don't have much else planned for the PS4.

So Sony and Microsoft have created this hole in the gaming marketplace, and Switch just happens to have released at the perfect time to take advantage of this hole.  Most likely 2019-2022 will be total Switch domination.  There is very little competition for Switch from the current consoles and by the time PS5 and Scarlett release it will take them time to ramp up.  Switch is going to have most of the generation with almost no competition.

Nope, as wrong as your expectation of PS5 struggling. The gens are longer because the relevant power jump takes longer now.

JRPGfan said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.

Most consumers vs Useing a number = everyone.

I just think its easier to market, and will show better results, without confuseing any consumers, if they use a normal nameing scheme.
Same with Xbox, the logical next name is Xbox Two (following the "one").

But if a company wants to do away with logic, and pick a stupid name..... hell its their company, their free to do so.
Just dont think it makes sense to do so.

In consoles Nintendo have an habit of keeping the name and adding when they have a succesfull product and changing the name when they don't.

NES monopolize - SNES succeed. SNES almost tied with Mega Drive (while Master System lost handfully) so they changed name for N64, which lost to PS1 so change name on GC, which lost to PS2 so change name to Wii, which sold most then we got WiiU, which bombed so we have Switch now. I would bet on Switch name being kept for next gen. Even in HH they had a similar aproach on the keeping or changing from GB, DS and now Switch. So Switch succeed 2 systems that were doing worse than expected.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

RolStoppable said:
thismeintiel said:

Except they really aren't competing. Xbox's sales problem has to do with failing to appeal to consumer's with HW and SW, not because of the Switch. PS4's are still pretty damn good for a console that's been $299 for the last 2 1/2+ years, and will improve once it gets a price cut this year. That has nothing to do with the Switch. On the same token, those consoles don't seem to be harming the Switch when they have sales/price cuts.

You might want to look up those numbers, again, cause the PS4 outsold the Switch by ~4M units in that FY. This past FY it also outsold it by 850K units. In terms of sales and profits, they are hardly #1. Well, unless you're speaking of globally in Japan.

They are competing, it's just that people want to turn a blind eye to anything below the layer of AAA third party support. Sony and Microsoft act quite oblivious to it too, hence why they are going ahead and will launch consoles that will likely cost $499. There are similarities to the seventh gen where Nintendo was written off and then won the generation with ease. The major difference this time around is that Switch is established as a strong console for single-player games, so there won't be a shortage of such content. There's now a lot of overlap in the game releases for Nintendo, PS and Xbox when the entirety of the software market is taken into account. Switch has an advantage due to its hybrid nature as people begin to realize that Switch allows them to finish more of the games they buy.

I wasn't talking about Switch vs. PS4, but overall. Nintendo sold the most consoles during each of the past two fiscal year and will sell the most during each of the following two fiscal years. This means that during the fiscal year ending March 2021 Switch will outdo the PS4 and PS5 combined.

Yea, except they really aren't.  Do you honestly think people who chose the PS4 or XBO as their main console are going to not get one next gen in favor of the Switch?  A much less powerful console than they had the previous gen?  The answer is hell no.  Those people want an upgrade in power when selecting a new console.  Sure, they may choose Switch as a secondary console.  Of course, that still goes in favor of my argument of them not truly competing.  And next gen, we are going to see the support for Switch begin to drop, as well, as devs move on to MUCH more powerful HW and try to get the most out of it.  A AAA game is just not going to run on a Switch unless it is incredibly pared back to barely being the same game.  A simple resolution drop and/or drop in asset quality isn't going to solve the discrepancy in the CPUs/GPUs.  And the Switch being a hybrid isn't necessarily going to lead to people finishing more of their games.  Especially for many who never travel with it.

And I figured you were going to use some strange reasoning to try to make Nintendo #1.  Sony must have been doing great against Nintendo last gen, then, since we can combine PSP, PS3, and PS2 sales for those early years.  Still doesn't change the fact that Nintendo ended #1 that gen, just like Sony did this one.  Both in sales numbers and profit.



thismeintiel said:

Yea, except they really aren't.  Do you honestly think people who chose the PS4 or XBO as their main console are going to not get one next gen in favor of the Switch?  A much less powerful console than they had the previous gen?  The answer is hell no.  Those people want an upgrade in power when selecting a new console.  Sure, they may choose Switch as a secondary console.  Of course, that still goes in favor of my argument of them not truly competing.  And next gen, we are going to see the support for Switch begin to drop, as well, as devs move on to MUCH more powerful HW and try to get the most out of it.  A AAA game is just not going to run on a Switch unless it is incredibly pared back to barely being the same game.  A simple resolution drop and/or drop in asset quality isn't going to solve the discrepancy in the CPUs/GPUs.  And the Switch being a hybrid isn't necessarily going to lead to people finishing more of their games.  Especially for many who never travel with it.

And I figured you were going to use some strange reasoning to try to make Nintendo #1.  Sony must have been doing great against Nintendo last gen, then, since we can combine PSP, PS3, and PS2 sales for those early years.  Still doesn't change the fact that Nintendo ended #1 that gen, just like Sony did this one.  Both in sales numbers and profit.

Yes, I can easily see that in Japan. Switch has picked up games that were previously PS-exclusive, so there's definitely less of a reason to buy a PS5. In America and Europe it will be more of a shift to Switch becoming the primary console in instances of multi-console ownership, so the competition happens more on the software side than the hardware side. People will buy multiplats on Switch instead of other consoles. Of course that won't apply to games of AAA third party publishers because most of them won't bring their games to Switch to begin with, just as it is now.

Sony did awful against Nintendo during the seventh generation. The only fiscal year where they were ahead was the one ending in March 2006, because at that point the PSP was ahead of the DS in LTD shipments.

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thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:

They are competing, it's just that people want to turn a blind eye to anything below the layer of AAA third party support. Sony and Microsoft act quite oblivious to it too, hence why they are going ahead and will launch consoles that will likely cost $499. There are similarities to the seventh gen where Nintendo was written off and then won the generation with ease. The major difference this time around is that Switch is established as a strong console for single-player games, so there won't be a shortage of such content. There's now a lot of overlap in the game releases for Nintendo, PS and Xbox when the entirety of the software market is taken into account. Switch has an advantage due to its hybrid nature as people begin to realize that Switch allows them to finish more of the games they buy.

I wasn't talking about Switch vs. PS4, but overall. Nintendo sold the most consoles during each of the past two fiscal year and will sell the most during each of the following two fiscal years. This means that during the fiscal year ending March 2021 Switch will outdo the PS4 and PS5 combined.

Yea, except they really aren't.  Do you honestly think people who chose the PS4 or XBO as their main console are going to not get one next gen in favor of the Switch?  A much less powerful console than they had the previous gen?  The answer is hell no.  Those people want an upgrade in power when selecting a new console.  Sure, they may choose Switch as a secondary console.  Of course, that still goes in favor of my argument of them not truly competing.  And next gen, we are going to see the support for Switch begin to drop, as well, as devs move on to MUCH more powerful HW and try to get the most out of it.  A AAA game is just not going to run on a Switch unless it is incredibly pared back to barely being the same game.  A simple resolution drop and/or drop in asset quality isn't going to solve the discrepancy in the CPUs/GPUs.  And the Switch being a hybrid isn't necessarily going to lead to people finishing more of their games.  Especially for many who never travel with it.

And I figured you were going to use some strange reasoning to try to make Nintendo #1.  Sony must have been doing great against Nintendo last gen, then, since we can combine PSP, PS3, and PS2 sales for those early years.  Still doesn't change the fact that Nintendo ended #1 that gen, just like Sony did this one.  Both in sales numbers and profit.

Most people really don't care too much about a power upgrade.  Instead they care more about price.  They only thing that consumers care about more than price is game library.  Every generation, just look at the console that launches at a reasonable price and has a large game library.  That is the winner.  This time Switch is the console that fits that description.

Power upgrade doesn't matter to so many people.  And even if they want a power upgrade, their parents may not want to buy that console (for gamers who are 17 and under, which is a huge chunk gamers).  A big "power upgrade" leads to failure much more often than it leads to success.