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JRPGfan said:
Mar1217 said:

Yes plz, I don't want them to go the boring way of the Playstation (sorry but it's true).

But do you want them to launch a new console, and consumers "not understanding" that its actually a new product?

Super Switch, runs into the issue of people mistakeing it for a "new 3ds" like situtation, or a WiiU situation.
Not understanding that it means "its time to upgrade to play new things", which results in sales going away.

Keep it Simple, Stupid (KISS).

Basically dont do anything that can confuse consumers of any kinde...... ESP if your product is a hit amoung casuals.

Super Switch --> potential WiiU nameing mishap waiting to happend.

Or just keep it simple? Do you really need to brand name + 2 buzz words + actual console name in it? And would people actually "understand" that it means a new console generation (eps if you dont actually change the console name)?
because "Nintendo Switch Super Advance" sounds like a trap, instead of a new console gen.

This sounds just like the Wii -> WiiU to me.

Super & Advance individually are fine, I dont think many people were confused during the NES to Super NES or Gameboy to GB Advance transitions.



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zorg1000 said:
JRPGfan said:

But do you want them to launch a new console, and consumers "not understanding" that its actually a new product?

Super Switch, runs into the issue of people mistakeing it for a "new 3ds" like situtation, or a WiiU situation.
Not understanding that it means "its time to upgrade to play new things", which results in sales going away.

Keep it Simple, Stupid (KISS).

Basically dont do anything that can confuse consumers of any kinde...... ESP if your product is a hit amoung casuals.

Super Switch --> potential WiiU nameing mishap waiting to happend.

Or just keep it simple? Do you really need to brand name + 2 buzz words + actual console name in it? And would people actually "understand" that it means a new console generation (eps if you dont actually change the console name)?
because "Nintendo Switch Super Advance" sounds like a trap, instead of a new console gen.

This sounds just like the Wii -> WiiU to me.

Super & Advance individually are fine, I dont think many people were confused during the NES to Super NES or Gameboy to GB Advance transitions.

Back then things where more simple, a new product = new gen.
Now theres mid gen refresh, add-on items bareing the console name (or consumers assumeing such, with say WiiU).
"new" = slightly bigger screen ect.

The messageing now, is very differnt from what it was back then.
Nintendo themselves havnt kept to a nameing scheme that ll make things easy for consumers to understand.

Basically its silly at this point, its just alot more impactfull and simple, to just stick with a console name and add a number to it.



Nintendos plan was WiiU fail. End of story.



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JRPGfan said:
zorg1000 said:

Super & Advance individually are fine, I dont think many people were confused during the NES to Super NES or Gameboy to GB Advance transitions.

Back then things where more simple, a new product = new gen.
Now theres mid gen refresh, add-on items bareing the console name (or consumers assumeing such, with say WiiU).
"new" = slightly bigger screen ect.

The messageing now, is very differnt from what it was back then.
Nintendo themselves havnt kept to a nameing scheme that ll make things easy for consumers to understand.

Basically its silly at this point, its just alot more impactfull and simple, to just stick with a console name and add a number to it.

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.



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zorg1000 said:

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.

Wii meant we, but the hardcore gamer felt left out. That's why U meant you, the hardcore gamer. Hence why Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Batman and others were used as reasons to buy a Wii U.



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RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.

Wii meant we, but the hardcore gamer felt left out. That's why U meant you, the hardcore gamer. Hence why Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Batman and others were used as reasons to buy a Wii U.

I'm aware of that, I mean that the word super has an actual definition so adding Super to the title is self explanatory. U in itself means nothing so adding U to the end of a title adds nothing of value to the consumer.



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zorg1000 said:
JRPGfan said:

Back then things where more simple, a new product = new gen.
Now theres mid gen refresh, add-on items bareing the console name (or consumers assumeing such, with say WiiU).
"new" = slightly bigger screen ect.

The messageing now, is very differnt from what it was back then.
Nintendo themselves havnt kept to a nameing scheme that ll make things easy for consumers to understand.

Basically its silly at this point, its just alot more impactfull and simple, to just stick with a console name and add a number to it.

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.

Most consumers vs Useing a number = everyone.

I just think its easier to market, and will show better results, without confuseing any consumers, if they use a normal nameing scheme.
Same with Xbox, the logical next name is Xbox Two (following the "one").

But if a company wants to do away with logic, and pick a stupid name..... hell its their company, their free to do so.
Just dont think it makes sense to do so.



zorg1000 said:
RolStoppable said:

Wii meant we, but the hardcore gamer felt left out. That's why U meant you, the hardcore gamer. Hence why Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Batman and others were used as reasons to buy a Wii U.

I'm aware of that, I mean that the word super has an actual definition so adding Super to the title is self explanatory. U in itself means nothing so adding U to the end of a title adds nothing of value to the consumer.

Hm... in the English language there's a U-turn. That's what Nintendo did with that console.

Still... that U-turn added nothing of value to the consumer, so your point stands, I guess.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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In the past a console generation was 4-6 years.  Nintendo was right on time with the Switch.  The screwed up timing comes from Sony and Microsoft.  They are acting like a console generation is 7 years now, but no one is really buying Microsoft hardware right now.  I'm still not sure if Sony can get away with a 7 year generation for PS4 yet.  Sales are falling fast this year, and interesting games are drying up.  PS4 software was much better last year, and Sony skipped E3 showing they don't have much else planned for the PS4.

So Sony and Microsoft have created this hole in the gaming marketplace, and Switch just happens to have released at the perfect time to take advantage of this hole.  Most likely 2019-2022 will be total Switch domination.  There is very little competition for Switch from the current consoles and by the time PS5 and Scarlett release it will take them time to ramp up.  Switch is going to have most of the generation with almost no competition.



JRPGfan said:
zorg1000 said:

Sure it was more simple back then but with the huge amount of ways to get a message across nowadays there should be no issue with "Super" as long as you have a competent marketing/advertising team.

This isnt a Wii U situation where the marketing was awful during those years and "U" doesnt mean anything to begin with.

Most consumers are smart enough to understand that Super Switch would be a new console if they advertised/marketed it as such.

Most consumers vs Useing a number = everyone.

I just think its easier to market, and will show better results, without confuseing any consumers, if they use a normal nameing scheme.
Same with Xbox, the logical next name is Xbox Two (following the "one").

But if a company wants to do away with logic, and pick a stupid name..... hell its their company, their free to do so.
Just dont think it makes sense to do so.

I think you're misunderstanding my original point, I never said that Super was as easy or straight forward as using a number, I said there isnt anything wrong or inherently confusing about Super/Advance.



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