Regardless of what anyone may think lifetime figures for the PS4 will be it's not like it's doing bad in ANY scenario, even if it drops dead at 110 million units it would still be nothing short of absolutely huge, you guys know that right?

I dont really think anyone says it's not one of the most succesful consoles of all times :P

Most (almost everyone) would agree that it will sell above 120M and ranging up towards 140 I think I saw someone say, no matter where it lands in this area it's going to be the third best selling console of all time only behind PS2 and the DS. Amazing sales.

Esp if both MS & Sony plan on going the 499$ route for next gen (as rumors suggest).

With SSD's (And not just any SSD, new gen super fast SSD) instead of the archaic mechanical drives, high end PC's processing power, raytracing compatibility and God knows what else, yeah I'd be even surprised if they sell them for ONLY €499. That said, I don't think they'll go above that price cause the idea here is to sell to the masses and not just the few who can afford it. They'll take a loss if they have to.

Personally when I see what happened at the very beginning of the PS3's life cycle back in 2007, I'm glad they are trying again. I really thought the €600 price of the PS3 would totally work as a PERMANENT deterrent against trying: I thought "Put cheap tech in systems and sell them for cheap" was their eternal mantra but I am glad to see they still believe some people will pay for better tech. I for one plan to get the PS5 on day one and I don't mind a €500 or even €600 price tag if the tech actually justifies it.

It's how they do it in the PC world isn't it?