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Forums - Politics Discussion - Muslim parents in UK protest school children's storybook featuring same gender parents

DrDoomz on 07 June 2019
SpokenTruth said:

1) Christians tend to pick and choose portions of the Bible to suit whatever cognitive biases they have while ignoring aspects of the Bible that directly contradict them. Or they ignore aspects that negatively speak about their own actions and behaviors while slinging judgement against others (ahem...Luke 6:37 and Matthew 7:1).

2) The left also stands up for the oppressed, marginalized, hated, etc...  And Muslims are certainly in those categories (at least in the US right now). Christians are not (again, in the US right now). And it's worse when the Christianity is used as a foundation for oppressive laws (and yet again, in the US).

1) What a completely irrelevant and biased point to bring up. One would think that you would applaud people who do not adhere to groupthink, people who are able to distinguish for themselves what to follow based on their own conscience (rather than do what others or a book would tell them to do), rather than call them hypocrites. And hypocrisy isn't exclusive to the religious as we all try and paint our own actions in the best light so we don't feel bad about ourselves, that is a common human trait.

2) Yeesh. I've always said that generalizations take us nowhere. But the fact that you have such a biased view of ppl (the left stand up for the marginalized, Christians are hypocrites) kinda shows your worryingly biased thought process. Here's a fact: there are hypocrites and good people on both sides.



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LGBTDBZBBQ on 07 June 2019

They are right! I don't want my children to be thought in school about gender fluid, Unicord, BBQ, Gundam, Helicopter and other stuff just normal stuff like Science and Math. A teacher who teaches that kind of stuff is mentally unstable, to begin with.



DrDoomz on 07 June 2019
SpokenTruth said:
DrDoomz said:

1) What a completely irrelevant and biased point to bring up. One would think that you would applaud people who do not adhere to groupthink, people who are able to distinguish for themselves what to follow based on their own conscience (rather than do what others or a book would tell them to do), rather than call them hypocrites. And hypocrisy isn't exclusive to the religious as we all try and paint our own actions in the best light so we don't feel bad about ourselves, that is a common human trait.

2) Yeesh. I've always said that generalizations take us nowhere. But the fact that you have such a biased view of ppl (the left stand up for the marginalized, Christians are hypocrites) kinda shows your worryingly biased thought process. 3). Here's a fact: there are hypocrites and good people on both sides.

1). Actually, I agree with you.  I prefer individualism. But that's not how Christianity works given that it is a religious group, no?.  It's supposed to be all about following the Bible. So when they don't and yet use it against others, you're going to get called out on it.

2). You mean left isn't all about social justice these days?

3). But of course. Individually, hypocrites are found in all groups and walks of life. But when a group claims itself to be the right way, uses their 'way' to marginalize others, and ignores elements that reflect back upon themselves, it's a bad look.  You can't call yourself the moral voice of the people and ignore (or even hide) your own immorality and not expect to be called a hypocrite.

1) .....

A bit prejudiced against Christians/the religious, aren't we? Actually, free thought is just as important to many religious people as it is to you or me. Believe it or not. There are always those that follow the scripture a little too much, but you can find that in just about any belief system be it religious or political. And just about any belief system wants those who believe in it to be non-critical of said belief: consider, for example, that there are many leftists that think it's ok to assault, intimidate or threaten ppl just for not agreeing with them.

2) You are talking about the positives in the belief system or the people within it? Because those are two different things. Beliefs when taken at their best, always sound nice. It's people who kinda mess it up. I notice that you like to view the left at its best light while attacking the religious based on the imperfections of those who practice it (and the extremes found within the belief system). Not saying they are statistically the same but that there are extremes on both sides.

3) Either beliefs can be seen as negative when looked at in the worse light. I can argue that Catholicism has helped a lot of ppl thru charities, orphanages, etc and that many have taken the teachings to heart and become really good people. I can also argue that there are many in the left that literally become freakin scumbag racists while lauding their belief as "the right way" (as you so aptly put it). The point here is that we all must look at individuals and not be prejudiced against a whole because you only become a hypocrite if you do that.



collint0101 on 07 June 2019
LGBTDBZBBQ said:
They are right! I don't want my children to be thought in school about gender fluid, Unicord, BBQ, Gundam, Helicopter and other stuff just normal stuff like Science and Math. A teacher who teaches that kind of stuff is mentally unstable, to begin with.

So many hyperboles and strawmen arguments. The controversy started because of a book that included a lesbian couple in addition to multiple other families. Its not the 50s or Saudi Arabia gay people do indeed exist 



DonFerrari on 07 June 2019
haxxiy said:
DonFerrari said:

Companies are held to much more rules, you often will see prosecution against private companies but public companies being less likely to be persecuted.

There is no free service, it is covered by taxes and the lack of need of profit makes them less motivated. Usually you pay through taxes for a worse service with a government overhead.

Government and personal also have selfish and ideological reasons.

Shall I understand that you are calling me idiot?

Nonsense. There are more highly educated employees and greater job satisfaction in the public sector compared to the private sector. The most productive country in the world, Norway, has over 40% working in the public sector. China has 50% and it does nothing to slow down is growth. Wherever there is a systematic issue with productivity on the public sector, the same is often happening in the private sector.

Not to mention that, by definition, one could be biased to look at the very top of sucessful enterprises as examples of the private sector as more efficient, rather than the myriad of failed ones, or when they are failing, out of the spotlight. For even the very large private companies have a lifespan of less than 50 years, on average... hardly the kind of people you would want to manage continuing issues such as national security or education on the long term.

But this is going way, way off-topic.

Yes sure, that must be the reason socialism have gone so well, because government control of companies is the way to go.



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DrDoomz on 07 June 2019
the-pi-guy said:
Azuren said:

Old Post, but we're talking about a main staple of the Islamic religion. Homosexuality is a hard no for them, and mocking them for their Islamic belief is islamophobia, isn't it?

Not all Muslims are against LGBT.  

Besides in the scheme of:

-being  against someone for existing (hating people for being LGBT.)

-being against someone for their beliefs (hating people for hating someone who exists.) 

The former wins out pretty much every time.  

You have a situation where one group exists and wants to be  accepted, and another group doesn't want that first group to exist, it's not -phobic anything to call the second group out.  

Were the protesting parents saying that they didn't want LGBT folks to not exist?



Torillian on 07 June 2019
DrDoomz said:
the-pi-guy said:

Not all Muslims are against LGBT.  

Besides in the scheme of:

-being  against someone for existing (hating people for being LGBT.)

-being against someone for their beliefs (hating people for hating someone who exists.) 

The former wins out pretty much every time.  

You have a situation where one group exists and wants to be  accepted, and another group doesn't want that first group to exist, it's not -phobic anything to call the second group out.  

Were the protesting parents saying that they didn't want LGBT folks to not exist?

They are protesting a book that includes them among other family units. Not a book that says "being gay is great, fuckin' love it" but a book that says "here are a bunch of families, also here's one with two dads". I mean, they certainly don't seem to want them to exist around their children. 



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DrDoomz on 07 June 2019
Torillian said:
DrDoomz said:

Were the protesting parents saying that they didn't want LGBT folks to not exist?

They are protesting a book that includes them among other family units. Not a book that says "being gay is great, fuckin' love it" but a book that says "here are a bunch of families, also here's one with two dads". I mean, they certainly don't seem to want them to exist around their children. 

They are protesting that they be given the choice of their children to opt out of a lesson they do no agree with (due to their beliefs). Now you and I might not agree with their beliefs but they have every right to do so.

But (unless I missed a part of the video that did so) disproportionally portraying them to make them look worse feels very Islamaphobic to me.



DrDoomz on 07 June 2019
RolStoppable said:
DrDoomz said:

Were the protesting parents saying that they didn't want LGBT folks to not exist?

Yes.

Would love a timestamp if I missed that part of the video then so I can go ahead and disagree with what the parents are doing.



Torillian on 07 June 2019
DrDoomz said:
Torillian said:

They are protesting a book that includes them among other family units. Not a book that says "being gay is great, fuckin' love it" but a book that says "here are a bunch of families, also here's one with two dads". I mean, they certainly don't seem to want them to exist around their children. 

They are protesting that they be given the choice of their children to opt out of a lesson they do no agree with (due to their beliefs). Now you and I might not agree with their beliefs but they have every right to do so.

But (unless I missed a part of the video that did so) disproportionally portraying them to make them look worse feels very Islamaphobic to me.

A lesson that consists of "gay people exist". If your kids can't read a book that shows gay people existing what do you think that means about gay people out and about or in media? 



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