Both are indoctrination. Just because you agree with one form and not the other doesn't change that fact.

Lol, if you believe just saying people love each other and leave it at that then you have no experience in this area. 

That's the simplistic logic people state when they have not had this conversation multiple times.  Once a child curiosity is engaged within a subject they will constantly talk about it.  They will bring the subject up multiple times and during the oddest of places and events.  If you have the talk about how children are brought into the world then you have to talk about Dad and Dad.  There is no tactful way around these questions because you need to be honest with the child not sugar coat it with BS.

So I will say again, this book doesn't do enough and it leaves gaps that need to be filled in by either parents or someone else.  What it will not do is bring any more education to the subject for a 5 year old besides a lot of questions.

Not much to elaborate upon.

Bradford has a large Muslim population and it's not really surprising to see the Muslim community band together to protest against something they disagree with. They're good at it, it's quite admirable. That this is happening in Birmingham, a City very similar to Bradford demographic-wise, doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

2) Only if the tolerant is known to be violent. The thing is, you do not convince the intolerant to be tolerant by fighting them, you do it by slowly teaching them (them, not their kids). And reasonable compromises can be reached when dialogue is allowed. Wouldn't simply allowing them to opt out be very reasonable. After all, I don't think they are demanding that the school teach anti-LGBT subjects and the school can simply reject calls to have the subject removed entirely. But  I don't see the hard in simply allowing their kids to opt out when they have zero choices in where to send their kids to school.

Yep, my child school presents the semester material they are going to cover before hand, and them presents the results of the activities (he is 4y old). I hope this keep being the standard until he grads, and that we can choose school that have a curriculum we see as important.

I have no issue acknowledging same sex family exists, but I do prefer my child learns math, economy, programming than gender policies.

So teaching morality is always indoctrination? Nice the term "indoctrination" became completely meaningless!

They aren't teaching them about sex... Or how reproductive processes work as far as I know... Making this argument entirely redundant.

5 year olds are more intelligent than you give them credit for.
All you need to do is say "That is a Gay couple, they are two boys that love each other". - A 5 year old gets that concept, I should know, because that is exactly how I get explained to children... And the children carry on fine and treat me like anyone else.

Teaching children how to be tactful around LGBT people is a social skill... One you might have missed out on perhaps?

Thankfully got through the system before they started teaching nonfactual information like that. And being tactful around LGBT is not a necessary social skill, nor should they be treated special and different from the rest (I yearn for true equality). Children are not obligated to learn or think like that, and it serves no use to society to divide and treat people differently and 'tactfully" by groups based on their sexual orientation (LGBT), race, religion, or gender (Boy, girl). Kids should be taught to treat everyone equally and fairly.

Dividing people by groups is inherently racist and sexist, and the left has a serious obsession with doing that.

Thankfully got through the system before they started teaching nonfactual information like that. And being tactful around LGBT is not a necessary social skill, nor should they be treated special and different from the rest (I yearn for true equality). Children are not obligated to learn or think like that, and it serves no use to society to divide and treat people differently and 'tactfully" by groups based on their sexual orientation (LGBT), race, religion, or gender (Boy, girl). Kids should be taught to treat everyone equally and fairly.

Dividing people by groups is inherently racist and sexist, and the left has a serious obsession with doing that.

They aren't teaching them about sex... Or how reproductive processes work as far as I know... Making this argument entirely redundant.

5 year olds are more intelligent than you give them credit for.
All you need to do is say "That is a Gay couple, they are two boys that love each other". - A 5 year old gets that concept, I should know, because that is exactly how I get explained to children... And the children carry on fine and treat me like anyone else.

Teaching children how to be tactful around LGBT people is a social skill... One you might have missed out on perhaps?

Bold assertion. Do you have any evidence to backup said claim that I lack experience?

What you are promoting is the slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy, that means we can discard your argument.

The fact of the matter is.. For decades parents have used me as an example to teach their children about Gays and Lesbians... Because... Well... Who is more qualified than someone who is Gay and lives it?

Fact of the matter is, when parents have told their children that I am a gay man, it hasn't escalated from there. - Sometimes there are some questions, but you don't need to get into the nitty-gritty details... You just say "That is how they are". - If you won't get into the nitty gritty details when explaining heterosexual relationship dynamics, why would you with a homosexual one?

Parents should take some responsibility in raising their children anyway.

And this makes a hell of a difference to the education of children and LGBT issues, I have seen how society has changed in regards to these issues over the decades and things have certainly improved for the better at all levels.

I am a hard-line Atheist, very anti-religious.
But freedom of protest is a fundamental pillar of all free democracies, so their right to protest should be respected and supported, even though I inherently disagree with their particular message.

The fact that a religion that is related to Christianity is against LGBT issue is not surprising in the least, religion has a terrible track record of these things.

What would truly be sad is if it gains traction and influences the cities stance on LGBT issues.

If the "Tolerant" are violent, then they are being intolerant.

I don't disagree with you. I think there are more important topics for children to learn... In saying that, we aren't at a point where LGBT people are treated like everyone else socially as a whole, so it's still important, but as the world stage becomes more accepting of LGBT people, then the need for LGBT education should probably be reduced.

I mean in high-school I was learning multiple languages, not once have I applied those learning's in the real world, it would have been far more useful if I learned how to do taxes or programming. (Which I learned anyway.)

Morality is not black and white... Morals change over the course of time and will vary depending on perspective.
Remember... At one point it was moral for women to serve men... Now it's immoral for them to be anything less than equals.

They aren't teaching them about sex... Or how reproductive processes work as far as I know... Making this argument entirely redundant.

5 year olds are more intelligent than you give them credit for.
All you need to do is say "That is a Gay couple, they are two boys that love each other". - A 5 year old gets that concept, I should know, because that is exactly how I get explained to children... And the children carry on fine and treat me like anyone else.

Teaching children how to be tactful around LGBT people is a social skill... One you might have missed out on perhaps?

Bold assertion. Do you have any evidence to backup said claim that I lack experience?

What you are promoting is the slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy, that means we can discard your argument.

The fact of the matter is.. For decades parents have used me as an example to teach their children about Gays and Lesbians... Because... Well... Who is more qualified than someone who is Gay and lives it?

Fact of the matter is, when parents have told their children that I am a gay man, it hasn't escalated from there. - Sometimes there are some questions, but you don't need to get into the nitty-gritty details... You just say "That is how they are". - If you won't get into the nitty gritty details when explaining heterosexual relationship dynamics, why would you with a homosexual one?

Parents should take some responsibility in raising their children anyway.

And this makes a hell of a difference to the education of children and LGBT issues, I have seen how society has changed in regards to these issues over the decades and things have certainly improved for the better at all levels.

I am a hard-line Atheist, very anti-religious.
But freedom of protest is a fundamental pillar of all free democracies, so their right to protest should be respected and supported, even though I inherently disagree with their particular message.

The fact that a religion that is related to Christianity is against LGBT issue is not surprising in the least, religion has a terrible track record of these things.

What would truly be sad is if it gains traction and influences the cities stance on LGBT issues.

If the "Tolerant" are violent, then they are being intolerant.

I don't disagree with you. I think there are more important topics for children to learn... In saying that, we aren't at a point where LGBT people are treated like everyone else socially as a whole, so it's still important, but as the world stage becomes more accepting of LGBT people, then the need for LGBT education should probably be reduced.

I mean in high-school I was learning multiple languages, not once have I applied those learning's in the real world, it would have been far more useful if I learned how to do taxes or programming. (Which I learned anyway.)

Morality is not black and white... Morals change over the course of time and will vary depending on perspective.
Remember... At one point it was moral for women to serve men... Now it's immoral for them to be anything less than equals.

And is even less of a plaything for teachers, government or any other group besides the parents.

1). Out of curiosity, why did you reply without actually watching the video? It doesn't discuss sex education at all.

2). Confuse and scare them? What do you base that conclusion from?  It might surprise you that 5 year olds are incredibly tolerant, welcoming, and accepting of such concepts. Being confused and scared seems to be a reflection of what they see from their own parents on the topic.  It confuses and scares mommy and daddy, so now I'm confused and scared too. If you show compassion and understanding, they will too.

I'll repost something I wrote earlier.  I'd like your take on it.

5 year old: Daddy, what are those 2 people doing?
Dad: Getting married.
5 year old: Why?
Dad: Because they love each other.
5 year old: Oh. Ok.

I'd rather let someone educated play with my kid than the dumbest people on earth.

Sorry to burst your bubble but child have a lot of prejudice and evil on them. They usually harm much more and harder than adults.

By dumbest people on earth you mean yourself? Since you are saying against parent teaching versus government.