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Forums - Movies Discussion - UPDATED: G.R.R. Martin denies rumor he already finished the books but made deal with showrunners not to publish until end of show

 

What is your reaction to the possibility this is true?

I don't care. 15 55.56%
 
This pisses me off! 6 22.22%
 
It is understandable. 6 22.22%
 
Total:27
COKTOE said:

Outside of a few bits here and there, I have never watched the show. From what I've heard though, especially the last few weeks, the show has become in the eyes of some fans, anywhere from "just bad" to "total abomination", and this has been happening to some degree since the show ran out off book material to draw upon. As for a reaction, that this kind of agreement would be struck makes sense. Both from a logistical and $$$ standpoint.

Well they didnt run out of book material though, they deliberately branched off after book 3. If I recall, at one point GRRM stated that he thought it would take 3 seasons to cover books 4+5 but they managed to streamline them both into a single season and that was when things really went downhill.



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Hiku said:
S.Peelman said:
If this is true they would’ve still had material to go on. Unless the unpublished books are as illogical as the last few episodes of the series has sadly become.

A fair point, but the showriters said that they had known about a very important plot point that occurred in Episode 3, for the past 3 years now.
That means Dan & David had decided on the ending, or at least parts of the ending, 3 years ago. Now this may very well be based on what GRRM told them would happen in the books, and on what he had written at the time.

In the 3 years that have passed since then, it's not impossible to imagine that he managed to finish the books. And that the show writers had already decided on the course their story would take, regardless of what GRRM wrote during that time.

As writers, you want to show that you're capable of writing your own story as well, and not just adapt someone else's work. But they probably did not anticipate just how negatively some of their own later storylines would be received. 

Though I don't think we'll ever know the truth about this, unless Goerge states it officially, or the two books are released swiftly after the show ends.
I'm also hearing now that HBO supposedly wanted to give them the budget to make more episodes, which makes sense because Game of Thrones is a big cash cow for them. But Dan & David apparently just wanted to wrap things up in a few episodes.

With some more episodes, or an extra season, the whole Daenerys debacle that occurred could have been developed much better, and made sense. Among other things.

Keep in mind, one of these writers are responsible for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. And they're now moving on to work on Star Wars...

@bold, considering that character doesnt even exist in the books than it's fair to say they are making their own story.



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If this is true that's awesome. I hate it when books snobs know what's going to happen before I do and are snobbish about everything that is different in the books than the show/movie.



If this is true it's one of the biggest F**k YOU! to us book readers that made it possible to create the GoT series.



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Never thought about it but to me it seems very likely. Maybe it was in their agreement that the show wouldn't rely completely on the books so they could have different outcomes, maybe so that the show ending wouldn't affect book sales since people would already know what happens, and vice-versa.



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The show isnt bad because they lacked source material its bad because it tries to much in to little time



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Naum said:
If this is true it's one of the biggest F**k YOU! to us book readers that made it possible to create the GoT series.

Yep.  I'm pretty soured on the whole Song of Ice and Fire situation, so if this were true, it certainly wouldn't be pushing me towards buying them.



I watched the first season or two, and then read the books.
I would have loved to read the last book, like a year or more ago.

however I can understand the author, chooseing to take a paycheck from HBO to shelf the books.
Even if it cost his potential sales in books (probably alot), a sure thing (check from HBO) is hard to resist.

Its easy to be pissed off at the guy, but many of us, if we where authors would probably act the same way.

I believe this rumor btw.



CladInShadows said:

I'm gonna say this scenario is unlikely. But if true, any shred of what little integrity Martin had left is out the window.

Money talks.... and all that.

Would you have done differntly if it was you as a author?



JRPGfan said:
CladInShadows said:

I'm gonna say this scenario is unlikely. But if true, any shred of what little integrity Martin had left is out the window.

Money talks.... and all that.

Would you have done differntly if it was you as a author?

I'm not an author or an artist of any kind, so I can't answer that question.  I'd like to think I'd stick to my guns, though.  But who knows?

And it's not like Martin wasn't already rich from his very successful writing and editing career up to this point, so he wasn't some starving author who really needed the money.

But that proves my point.  If he held them back because HBO threw a big bag of money at him, his integrity as an artist is nil.