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vivster said:

That just sounds like dooms day talk. Of course it's technologically possible to screw over consumers on PC, but until now they had to invent consoles to screw people that hard. Sure, any big player would love to have as much control over their platform and software as possible but so far it hasn't been feasible to do that. The fact that the desire is so great but that no company on PC has ever pushed and succeeded with that mindset is reassuring. Putting major restrictions on PC gaming is like trying to ban porn on the internet or trying to raise taxes in the US. I trust that for now it's too big to get hit by anything major anytime soon. Epic would have to become bigger than Steam first.

Also, I don't buy into all that negative hype about Tencent. Yes, they are Chinese, so what? Do I think they act less ethical than any major company in the west? Hell no! That wouldn't even be possible since they're all the same scumbags. I don't trust Tencent any more or less than i trust google. And google basically has all of my data.

@Bold Are you forgetting 3DFX with the Glide API ? To this very day there's still exclusive content that exists out there which was built with the Glide API and one would practically need a Glide emulator to run the said content ... 

I wonder if you truly think that placing blind trust in an industry that is very much under consolidation a good idea considering that we're stuck with an x86 duopoly and a single OS vendor so how much more radical do really think having games tied to a single graphics vendor is when it succeeded in the past ? 

It's not negative hype about Tencent, it's that nearly all chinese companies are forged with a political will to build thriving monopolies. At least Google isn't seeking to actively dominate your life unlike Chinese companies such as Tencent does which have their own freaking payment platform! Tencent controls every piece of media in one region so it's only a matter of time before they swipe in for the kill and take down Google to rule ALL mainstream media in the world and what better way is there for them to make more money from gamers than to have them as customers permanently for life by locking down games to their specially designed hardware ? Will you still somehow remain composed if Tencent controlled every relevant gaming media ?

Chinese corporations are not nearly as squeamish as you believe them to be and in fact are far more malignant than western equivalents ... (Google keeps to their own search engines/advertising, Facebook does social networking, Amazon dominates in online retail but there's absolutely nothing in America like Alibaba, Huawei who's trying hard to emulate the old AT&T before breakup or Tencent all of which have a closely knit political relationship with the ruling Chinese party and have far more vertically integrated businesses)



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CGI-Quality said:
Nautilus said:

"The store is barebones" - This one I have zero gripes with.I play for the games, as most people do.

"Their security is sketchy" - I can get behind this one.I mean, its more of a privacy issue, but yeah, this one sucks.

"Exclusivity shouldn't be bought nearly two weeks from launch" - This one would be a problem if you had to pay extra to get it.But no, its as simple as downloading another storefront, all for free.So nah, no problems at all.

Again, I dont speak for everyone, but as I have written in my reply to Chazore, given the ammount of dev behind Epic, the success stories it has so far(there are only a few true, but this new Epic is also something relatively new too), and the fact that Epic seems to be doubling down on the tactic all seems to point that gamers in general are fine with this.

Regarding that last one, Epic doesn't allow 3rd party sellers to distribute Epic keys, meaning the games are launching at higher prices, for many, than they would as Steam releases. 

Not entirely true.  These Epic-exclusive games can be purchased and pre-purchased on the humble store.  I'm not saying this will result in lower prices, but it is a "choice" I suppose.



Chazore said:
Nautilus said:

Oh boy.Here we go.

Well, I know how you work Chazore, how single minded you are in your opinions, so I will avoid writing long essays about the topic at hand just to avoid spending up to one hour writing these replies.I

You know you're in for a treat, when someone decides to belittle you and claim they know better, but also saying they don't want to write an essay, but then end up writing one anyway, going back entirely on their word.

In short:

 

I'll be cutthroat honest. If you're going to call me single-minded, it means you've already decided on how to approach me from here on out. Because you think that approach isn't single-minded, but one that is somehow viewed as a "better" approach, just tells me that you've less chances of believing that you've any wrong doing from your own end. If you want to approach me the same exact way from here on out, I wouldn't bother, because now I know how you view me, so why should I even bother listening to whatever it is you have to say?.

If you want me to actually listen and take in what you have to say, maybe don't resort to the "you're ignorant" quip. it'd go a long way in getting me to try to understand your pov.

I doubt that's going to happen though, based on your bolded part, because you've already determined how you'll view me from here on, and there is no changing that, unless I'm to agree with you, which isn't happening anytime soon.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

LudicrousSpeed said:
I don’t see it as any different than Sony or MS or Nintendo buying a studio and making them exclusive.

I know PC fans don’t like this sort of thing but all of these exclusive avenues are the only way Epic will get people to use their store.

Its very different, one thing i having a studio make a game only for you, other thing is buying a studio that wasn't yours to begin with then having them rip their already released games off from the competitors stores.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
what a crime , buying something and then having the nerve of doing what they want with it. those bastards...

Man, I'd love to see MS just buy up studios that release on PS, then take all those games away from PSN, same with eshop and literally everywhere else, then see how far that tune carries on  for. 



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:

I bet you wouldnt make threads about it thats for sure.

They bought a couple studios that released games on ps, didnt see you giving 2 shits about it,  they probably ONLY release those on PC and xbox now , who Cares? Sony Will probably make deals too , Microsoft , Sony and Nintendo fans are used to it since FOREVER. 

I wouldn't need to, because someone else would end up doing that instead  

Did MS also directly pull those studios previously published games off of other storefronts/consoles when they bought them?.

We're in a system that allows these studios to be bought up fair and square, but the idea of simply buying the studio and then taking all their previously pubbed games right off all storefronts soon after, is something that hasn't really been done in such a way before. Don't you remember the time when MS bought timed exclusivity of RotTR?. Sony fans got proper pissed, and rightfully so. Even PC gamers got the same sort of treatment with a later release.

The thing is, you shouldn't be used to it, you should call it out whenever something like the former is done. PC gamers are proper pissed at the fact that Epic has attempted to take a studio and it's popular game, straight off of their competitor's storefront, because they frankly want to gut them, not co-exist with them. 



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

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Chazore said:
It's tiny in your eyes, but that is expected, because to you, it's nowt of any sort of issue to even see. "you need to use a different launcher, oh my" You see that there, that's when you just lose it. They've effectively said they will support those that "own" it, not the people that could still want to purchase it on Steam in the future, which they won't be able to. Of course they have to support those existing customers, do you think it'd be sane in any plane of reality, to just cut off millions of consumers on one storefront alone?. I mean really, do you?. It's a no brainer, of course they wouldn't, because that's asinine and completely bonkers to even suggest the thought. 
LudicrousSpeed said:

PC gamers don’t like it because it’s a tiny inconvenience to have a different launcher that loads up when they click on the game. It’s not as if the player base will be split up among Steam and EGS users. It’s not as if Steam users have to buy the game all over again. You might need to use a different launcher. Oh my.

I could see an uproar if they weren’t going to support the game on Steam after it launches on EGS later this year, but they’ve already said they would. 

You make it a valid question with the amount of a fuss you're making about it. Epic removing it from Steam and not supporting any non-EGS version of the game is about the only act that would warrant such a response. Which makes it hilarious that you'd call the question asinine, lol.

Imagine what MS did with Mojang except after awhile they stopped selling Minecraft on other consoles. But as someone who already bought the game on another platform, you still get all of the support and future content. Why be so upset then? And if you're a new player, you just use a different storefront. The console space wasn't a good example because in my scenario you'd have to buy a whole new console to play Minecraft. In the PC space you literally download a new, free launcher, and buy it there. Oh my.

I guess with master race status comes master race privilege.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:

No one was pissed at microsoft, people complained about square making such deal that would probably hurt them , and people was right it as a terrible deal and game sold poor. Microsoft had every right to do deals like these like they did and devs every right to agree to them for better or worse.

Get used to it cause this will get worse and worse. You will miss a lot of games if you dont want to buy them on epic store and epic does not give a shit about entitled gamers, they are in for the profit and devs are loving the deals epic is giving them. E3 will have a shit ton of these announcements , get ready my dude.

Actually, no, people were pissed at MS. I remember because Iw as there when the announcement was made, and the people on this site taking shots at MS and SE for making the damn deal in the first place.

I remember people over on Twitter and YT losing it as well and being angry at such a deal, for a franchise that's been multiplat for a while now. 

Just because you're allowed to make a bad deal, doesn't mean you should at every possible turn. Actually using that thing you call a brain and using common sense, would serve you well, to prevent making such a bad decision, that would otherwise net you with hate and lacking success.

Don't need to get used it to at all, because I know I'm not alone in this fight and I'm glad there is backlash, and I'm glad people like me defy you and your illogical bs. 

I won't miss what others provide me with, as well as having a massive backlog and multiple avenues to purchase from. We are living in an age where there are plenty more fish in the sea, and many people out there who are willing to watch others trip up, and then take advantage of those who fumble (like Sony with MS, a prime example).

Get ready for blow-back my dude, and get ready for a spit in the face of defiance, because I'll be there cheering that opposing crowd on. 



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LudicrousSpeed said:
Chazore said:
It's tiny in your eyes, but that is expected, because to you, it's nowt of any sort of issue to even see. "you need to use a different launcher, oh my" You see that there, that's when you just lose it. They've effectively said they will support those that "own" it, not the people that could still want to purchase it on Steam in the future, which they won't be able to. Of course they have to support those existing customers, do you think it'd be sane in any plane of reality, to just cut off millions of consumers on one storefront alone?. I mean really, do you?. It's a no brainer, of course they wouldn't, because that's asinine and completely bonkers to even suggest the thought. 

You make it a valid question with the amount of a fuss you're making about it. Epic removing it from Steam and not supporting any non-EGS version of the game is about the only act that would warrant such a response. Which makes it hilarious that you'd call the question asinine, lol.

Imagine what MS did with Mojang except after awhile they stopped selling Minecraft on other consoles. But as someone who already bought the game on another platform, you still get all of the support and future content. Why be so upset then? And if you're a new player, you just use a different storefront. The console space wasn't a good example because in my scenario you'd have to buy a whole new console to play Minecraft. In the PC space you literally download a new, free launcher, and buy it there. Oh my.

I guess with master race status comes master race privilege.

And yet it could easily be summed up as "that's just business/capitalism", because we've seen excuses like that thrown out before for years now.

Except MS didn't do what Epic had planned to do, if you'd read up on that, and then read up on the follow up that Basil posted. 

New players on Steam wouldn't be able to purchase the game from the storefront, had it gone the original course of action that Epic had planned. Imagine if MS bought MC and then pulled it from being sold everywhere else within a few months time. Support for existing customers, yeah, that's fine, but new customers that expected it to be sold there, like it had been before, what about them and their choice?. Not such a big deal is it when you're not them, nor care about what they think right?. 

Using the priv status as a comeback isn't really a good one, oh my....

Also, if you want to get sarcy, I wouldn't, because we know where that goes on here. You got sarcy the moment you used the "it's another launcher, it's not a big deal", so let's not act like you weren't acting in that manner when you first jumped in here. 



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"