Oh please, cut the false concern, this bill has a 76% approval rating with all voters and even a 60% approval with republican voters, it's wanted, its needed, it's popular 

If Biden/Harris were even slightly interested they could have successfully pulled every string through Budget Reconciliation and pass this bill, even if in the end they did actually fail at least they tried, but they aren't even trying, they are betraying the people that voted for them, the people they said they would make this a top priority... I repeat for your blocked ears... Biden and Harris aren't even trying to get this passed, they are happy with the status quo   

Krystal and Saagar have a great discussion on the events that could have been vs what sadly is happening

NO the one who needs to cut the BS is you.  What you just stated still does not get you 51 votes.  Even if Joe and Harris pulled every string they could, you still have to have 51 votes to make it happen.  So you have 2 Dems Senator who are not going to vote for it, how does making any of those moves get you 51 votes.  

You get nothing for trying here.  Tell me what trying gets us.  First, trying gets the bill dropped which means everything else within the bill does not happen just because you want 15 minimum wage.  You are willing to deny everything else within the bill for that one item while you profess bout caring for the people that struggle.. Please, the only thing you really seem to care about is what you want but damn everything else or anyone else that needs this relief now.

Who cares about what Krystal Saagar thinks, what matters is what can be done.  People always have opinions but if they are not part of the process their opinion is a waste of time.

Last but not least, why waste the effort if you cannot get it done.  March 14 is the deadline for this bill, so what magic that Biden and Harris can produce that make Joe and the other Senator go away.  Nothing you stated make this happen and nothing you stated is worth holding up this bill just to get that one issue to nuke it.

Getting this passed in the Budget Reconciliation with a Covid pay out has a chance if the President wants it... Your cut from the same cloth as Biden and Harris... couldn't be bothered, lets just not even try and just give up, its too hard, it's a nice compromise for the rich anyway... sorry working poor your popular bill is not even worth it, what a broken system and your attitude is a small part of it   

Krystal and Saagar are at least analysing the events, which you quickly discount with little thought, your just struck in a particularly sad mind set :/ 

Lol, dude, you still need 51 votes to get it passed in the Budget Reconciliation as well.  The only thing using the Budget Reconciliations does is prevent Filibuster but you still need a majority vote to pass the Bill.  You really should read up on this stuff first.  Maybe this is why you seem to not understand the situation.

Also you waste my time with these little digs of yours.  I have no problem with getting the 15 dollar Minimum wage, what I do not understand is your ignorance of the process and why you keep believing you know how to get pass 2 Dem senator who will not vote for it.  You offer nothing on getting that precious 51 votes and you offer nothing why we should hold up the relief bill to try something that still does not get us 51 votes.

I discount Krystal because she has an agenda.  My point has always been, and still is, how do you get pass Joe.  If you even took a moment to read up on Joe and how he has voted in the past and his stance now, you would know he isn't budging.  Instead you keep going on about how this poll shows support this or that or some AOC interview that gives nothing on how to get Joe to vote for a 15 dollar minimum wage believing in some fairytale that he will suddenly listen.  What you need to do is stop listening to other talking heads opinions and do your own research.

Right now the Dems need to work with Joe because every Dem votes count.  There is no wiggle room here.  If I have any real issues with the Dem party is that they finally have majority vote but still do not know how to get those GOP in Dem clothing to work with them.  Joe isn't going anywhere for at least 2 years so they better find out what it is he really want and get him on board.

Lol, dude, you still need 51 votes to get it passed in the Budget Reconciliation as well.  The only thing using the Budget Reconciliations does is prevent Filibuster but you still need a majority vote to pass the Bill.  You really should read up on this stuff first.  Maybe this is why you seem to not understand the situation.

Also you waste my time with these little digs of yours.  I have no problem with getting the 15 dollar Minimum wage, what I do not understand is your ignorance of the process and why you keep believing you know how to get pass 2 Dem senator who will not vote for it.  You offer nothing on getting that precious 51 votes and you offer nothing why we should hold up the relief bill to try something that still does not get us 51 votes.

I discount Krystal because she has an agenda.  My point has always been, and still is, how do you get pass Joe.  If you even took a moment to read up on Joe and how he has voted in the past and his stance now, you would know he isn't budging.  Instead you keep going on about how this poll shows support this or that or some AOC interview that gives nothing on how to get Joe to vote for a 15 dollar minimum wage believing in some fairytale that he will suddenly listen.  What you need to do is stop listening to other talking heads opinions and do your own research.

Right now the Dems need to work with Joe because every Dem votes count.  There is no wiggle room here.  If I have any real issues with the Dem party is that they finally have majority vote but still do not know how to get those GOP in Dem clothing to work with them.  Joe isn't going anywhere for at least 2 years so they better find out what it is he really want and get him on board.

Dude stop playing these games, there is a way outside those two right wing Dem Senators approval, and I have already mentioned twice the Budget Reconciliation, but you have avoided talking about that ;)

The only person that could stop putting in the $15 min wage in the Budget Reconciliation is the Parliamentarian, if Harris so choose she could neutralize the Parliamentarian and get the bill put into the covid relief package, the ultimate authority on Senate rules lies with the vice-president, and only if 60 senators voted against that action could it be stopped, it would take 10 Dem Senators to switch sides, very unlikely

Please stop with the piss weak excuses, this is getting old    

You are killing me Rab.  It would be different if you were correct about the Budget Reconciliation but you are wrong. Please ,will you read up what happens when you go through the budget reconciliation and then post back.  I have no clue where you are getting your info but you do know that even under Budget Reconciliation, there is still a vote in the Senate.  You do know this or is there some magic auto pass through during this process you can show us all.  I mean you are so wrong on the process, I see why you are all over the place.

All I'm talking about is over-ruling the Parliamentarian which is one of the major blocks to including the $15 into the Budget Reconciliation, which is a simple move for Harris if she was willing to fight for this, the fact she hasn't says a lot about the Dems going forward, this move by Harris effectively stops the process they promised to pursue for the sake of the working poor, it's a very bad sign :/  

What would overruling the Parliamentarian accomplish? Now, not only do you have the moderates ready to vote "no" because they don't like the $15 minimum wage, they are going to vote "no" because they don't like going around Senate rules, which also gives them political cover for their vote AND not only do we have to contend with two Senators, it is likely, judging by Durbin's comments, that even more Senate Democrats would be against that move, putting the entire fucking thing in jeopardy.

And further, the process isn't stopped, it was shifted to later this year to give them more time to work out what they can actually pass. If your only plan is that you think maybe you can bully the moderate senators enough that they would vote for something they don't support, then clearly you don't have the votes and you should focus on making sure more progressives are elected in 2022 instead of seemingly trying to burn down the ship...

You are killing me Rab.  It would be different if you were correct about the Budget Reconciliation but you are wrong. Please ,will you read up what happens when you go through the budget reconciliation and then post back.  I have no clue where you are getting your info but you do know that even under Budget Reconciliation, there is still a vote in the Senate.  You do know this or is there some magic auto pass through during this process you can show us all.  I mean you are so wrong on the process, I see why you are all over the place.