Biden performed as I expected, who I thought was below expectation was trump. He just went too far with the interruptions and he had several opportunities to slam Biden and didnt do it, several opportunities to punch and he didnt, for example in the question about white supremacy, it was really easy to give a proper answer and hit back in Biden supporting antifa and all they represent and defend. Dont know why he didnt cease those openings. Maybe because he was debating against two people? Or he thought it was going to be easier? Don't know.

Also dude... dont bite the bait.

When has Biden ever expressed support for Antifa?

That can only ever be a short term goal 

He hasn't, but even if he had,.... whats the issue in it?
Antifa is a group of people, that are "anti facsim" its a ideology and not a terror group or some such.
(police violence, unnessarly so, is a threat to democracy. You dont want police out gunning people down, or beating them down for no reason. Obviously when such happends, you see people raise up that are opposed to such, because they believe its not how a democracy is supposed to be)

Trump not being able to speak out against racist white supremcy groups that support him, is alot worse no?
Some of which actually are on terror lists and such.

In my opinion that is undeniable, antifa has bad aspects but white supremecy groups are just a total negative driven by misplaced emotions and hate.

Trump really should have been more harsher on them in support of the whole country.

The President cannot be harsher because he is trying to play the middle.  He wants their support but also want people to believe he doesn't support them.  Yes, Trump could have put Biden on the spot with Antifa, it would be good to see how he would have answered the question but instead he played dumb and lost an opportunity all the while looking worst for wear for a easy snowball question he should have been prepared to answer.  Playing the middle is where things get dicey, the message get muddled leaving to much room for your opponent to utilize it.

Actually when I think about it, I would not be surprised if the Lincoln project take his exact words, then the proud boys response and try to link the 2 to domestic terror sanctioned by the president.  Show a couple of instating riot's using them in their and you have a narrative.  The President has been trying to paint the riots as Biden but it could well be turned around and paint the president in an unfavorable light.

It depends on one's view on Antifa. The way I see them is very different from you probably. For me their ideology is very very questionable (starting with what is fascism) and their actions are even more questionable. I believe they are indeed organized and on purpose have nothing registered under their name. For me they should be considered a terror group considering everything that has happened recently.

Democracy should always allow people to get organized and protest against whatever they want, but not like they do.

Imagine a different situation, where an anti communism group is formed in the same way as antifa, which started to take the streets and cause riots and disruption and destruction everywhere they wanted and marching against anything they would consider as communist/socialist no matter how far from reality it would be. Then imagine the media is with them and police cant do anything. You cant do anything.

But antifa can do it of course being a left leaning movement

Antifa as an idea is already wrong. One of the beauties of democracy is to allow anyone to have their own political views even if it is something stupid as to defend a fascist state or a communist/socialist state. 

If you lived in a dictatorship communist country, and had a group rebellion of "imaginary anti-commustist" groups that made trouble because they wheren't happy with the way the communist party acted in a country.....

Thats your thought experiment? the "imagine this" senario?

Don't we in the west, usually praise these types of people?
Like in Hong Kong, with the riots there against the chinese people trying to enforce on them rules, and policies they dont want.

The US media was quick to cheer that on no?



Anyways, the US has a issue with police violence currently, and theres a group of people very worried this leads down the road to facism.
So they want the country to change its ways and are protesting it.

They arnt alone, theres a entire movement of BLM behinde them, that rightly so, claim that racism is also at play with policeing in the USA.

Solution?
Regulations and acknowledge the issue, and try to fix it.

All the riots will die down and the US will be a more free and democratic land, than before.

"You cant do anything."

Yes you can.
Acknowledge it publically (republicans and the president) and put forth effort to fix it.
Dont try to beat down protestors, as a way to deal with the issue at hand.

When you use force as a solution, for something the majority of a society dislike..... thats basically facism.
Republicans arnt the party of facists right? You guys value freedom and liberity, fairness & equality for all and such?

Conservatives use the same argument here... That we need to "preserve australian culture".
My argument has always been... What culture?

Thongs/Flip flips and singlets, even our numbering system that came from the middle east?
Or the English language which came from Britain and stems from ancient germanic language?

Our culture is derived from every other culture, same goes for most multi-cultural nations such as the United States.

If anything, the culture of most nations aren't the same as their ancient pasts, Aboriginal culture is pushed a-side here, I would assume the same occurs with indian culture in the states, but probably to a lesser degree... And religious culture changed every European country at one point.
In short... It seems only the culture relevant to the majority seems to be the culture that needs to be protected, which to me is a silly proposition.

Either way, culture is constantly changing and we live in an inter-connected world which influences culture world wide, K-Pop for example became a thing at one point.

It's one thing to be proud of your cultural heritage, it needs to be maintained, but you don't need to do so at the exclusion of other cultures or peoples... Just because someone is Asian or Middle-Eastern doesn't mean they cannot engage with Aboriginal culture in Australia for example.

Antifa are an extremists left-wing group, but the further left or right you go, the more the political ideologies become the same.
Antifa only exists because fascism exists, something we already had a war over.

Antifa's actions can and should be condemned, one of the answers to facism they believe in is violence which should never be supported or tolerated.
They are certainly not organized.

Their opponents however are organized, such as white supremacists and neo-nazi's.

I think the mistake both sides of the political divide make is that the left are willing to condemn neo-nazi's and white supremacists, but not Antifa, where the right only moan about Antifa.
We need to reach a point where both sides can condemn *all of it* without exception, that just isn't happening and that empowers these groups more.

Antifa doesn't get a free pass to violence and abuse, they are still breaking the law... And if they are indeed *getting away with it* than the man at top... Aka. Trump, is doing a shit job and not cracking down appropriately.

Either way, the USA is in recession, done a shit job at managing COVID, hasn't built the wall and made Mexico pay for it, has lost influence around the world and has become a very divisive, toxic nation.
I think the USA needs to elect someone different to try and have a go at solving your nations issues, clearly Trump can't do the job, he just blames everything on everyone else.

You're right Pema. But... there's no cosmic force that will eventually make a just, equitable point of view prevail over the others. Neither there is any guarantee that the billions of people living in culturally oppressive societies (either due to religion, state, or both) and approve of it will necessarily come to see the light, so to speak. Just look at data from Pew Research etc. to see how the world's growing majority actually thinks. Even the younger ones.

You mentioned a long string of cultures from Australia, dating back to England and before. And guess what, each of these steamrolled over more peaceful peoples inhabiting these lands just because they could. The mesolithic Europeans most certainly thought Anatolian farmers were aggressive to their standards, and in turn, celts must have looked like the devil with their shrunken head totems, only to be outdone in violence by the Anglo-Saxons and their mastery of the art of torture.

The two largest countries in the world are nationalistic dictatorships actively engaging in genocide. Huge swathes of the globe follow a misogynistic religion that punishes apostasy with death. Having a Discovery Channel relativistic mentality and thinking that everyone coming in is just an exotic flavor of the same ideals you share is borderline naïve. Many - even among the young, like I said - believe in things that would make Idaho Republicans look like San Francisco hippies.

This is why ideas like democracy, human rights, and environmentalism should be pushed and even mandated, should the need arise, as long as the countries that follow these still have the economic and diplomatic might to do so. There is a million practices, customs, laws etc. out there that aren't and shouldn't be considered humankind's cultural heritage, just a pile of garbage nurtured throughout the millennia by sick and twisted minds.