PAOerfulone said:
There were 3 officers, all armed and trained, against 1 man. You're telling me that with all their combined effort, they aren't capable of simply disarming him, cuffing him, and taking him to jail so he can answer to the law? They're trained to deescalate the situation and stop any conflict before it gets out of hand in the safest way possible. This entire situation could have easily been avoided if they had just non-lethally apprehended him and taken him to jail from the start. They shouldn't have even let him get to the driver's side and let the situation get that far in the first place. And it most certainly doesn't justify putting 7 bullets in his back. Going by what you're saying, they'd have to be rock stupid to let him get into his car, start it, and let him have the chance to cause real damage. If they're really that incompetent, they've got no business wearing a badge. |
They're certainly trained to take a suspect armed with a knife seriously. Unlike the average joe, who is prone to underestimate stabbing weapons. The police tried to apprehend him, JB resisted and pulled out his knife, police pulled out their guns and tasers, tried to tase him, didn't work. End of story.
The entire situation could've been even more easily avoided. NOT resisting arest! Now i can call myself Captain Hindsight, too, like the rest of you. Dusting of my hands and feel good about myself.
Hiku said:
You bringing up criminal records as a reason for why this is self defense is strange, considering the shooter wouldn't have the slightest idea about any of that when he made the decision to kill people. People running after you by itself is not enough to claim self defense if you murder one of them. The killer would have to prove that his life was in danger, or that he reasonably believed it was, and also that he had exhausted all other options before murdering the man, who was unarmed. For the second killing, the argument by the killers defenders is that it is self defense to kill someone for trying to stop/disarm you after you murdered someone. The killer is currently charged on these counts: This 17 year old illegally carried the weapon, and then fled state lines after killing several people.
Do not try to conflate peaceful protesters with the violent ones. |
Pointing out the criminal history is trivial to anyone incapable of acknowledging the importance of context. It is an indicator of the criminal and violent potential within the mob. We see them start fires (right next to a gas station) and behaving aggressively, maybe because someone is standing between them and their precious loot. Rosenbaum, the first one shot, at the front behaving aggressive, showing disregard for his own life by words ("shoot me n*****, shoot me") and later by action. He propably thought babyfaced Rittenhouse is gonna be a pushover.
We constantly see violent rioters/looters causing serious injuries and even death. Where are your indicators this was not life-or-death in this very moment from Kyles perspective? They wanted to disarm him, nothing else? How do you know? You must be clairvoyant...
"I don't know about you, but pointing an AR-15 at an unarmed person will probably be enough to make them back off."
Unless i was given no other choice... I know i wouldn't be so suicidal to head on attack someone armed with a gun, or a knife, or anything that clearly puts me at a disadvantage.
"That's not self defense but the exact reason why idiots should not bring guns to these places."
Well, there would be no need to, if police could do their job unobstructed. Now people complaining about the consequences of their own doing. Splendid.
"The people in the video are heard telling people he shot someone, and they seemingly try to grab his gun when he falls over. One of the people trying to stop him were seemingly holding a gun, but they did not fire at the killer for the duration of the video, even after he fell over. Unfortunately the killer didn't have the same regard for human life and didn't hesitate to shoot and kill them when they got close enough to take away his weapon."
Actually, when taking a closer look, Kyle aims his weapon at Gaige (guy with pistole), who puts his hands in the air as sign of surrender (with gun in right hand), Kyle does not shoot and lowers the rifle, then Gaige re-engages and quickly moves his arms down, Kyle reacts and shoots him in the biceps. We see Gaige come running the moment Kyle is on the ground and attacked. Did he have a clear shot? Why did he pull the gun out, for what purpose? According to a Buddy of Gaige, the one thing he regrets is "not killing the kid".
https://www.rt.com/usa/499259-kenosha-victim-facebook-killing-kid/
He wanted to disarm and apprehend him? What for? Kyle himself told Gaige that he is going to the police.
But no, we have to play the righteous vigilante and attack the heavily armed guy who poses no threat... because someone said so.
"Do not try to conflate peaceful protesters with the violent ones.
This kind of dishonest generalization and dehumanization has no place here. Don't do it again."
That is your misguiding interpretation, but your misinformation is not my doing. Since BLM as organisation has never stepped forward to condemn violent acts and distance themselves - when going by their own words and their own slogan "silence is violence" is evidently in support of rioting and looting -, i don't see anything wrong with pointing out the true purpose behind the "peaceful protests".
Hunting Season is done...







