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Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Why do you still support Trump?

A lot of reasons, but the main reason at this point is he isn't actively trying to destroy this country like these "protesters" are. Democrats seems to be supporting these "protestors" and not doing their jobs to stop them. Also, I just look at all of these liberal cities or states like California and see how everyone is fleeing to more conservative areas. Kind of like what Joe Rogan just did by moving to Texas lol

I see what you're getting at but because you dont like Democratic policies doesn't mean you have to be a strong supporter of Trump because you can make the argument that some of his actions have destroyed some aspects of American life such as what he says, his lack oc action with covid, and how the anti trans policies in the military and hud. Like im not a big fan of the Democratic party either but Trump has also done a lot of harm.



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jason1637 said:
Snoopy said:

A lot of reasons, but the main reason at this point is he isn't actively trying to destroy this country like these "protesters" are. Democrats seems to be supporting these "protestors" and not doing their jobs to stop them. Also, I just look at all of these liberal cities or states like California and see how everyone is fleeing to more conservative areas. Kind of like what Joe Rogan just did by moving to Texas lol

I see what you're getting at but because you dont like Democratic policies doesn't mean you have to be a strong supporter of Trump because you can make the argument that some of his actions have destroyed some aspects of American life such as what he says, his lack oc action with covid, and how the anti trans policies in the military and hud. Like im not a big fan of the Democratic party either but Trump has also done a lot of harm.

The lack of action with covid you are going to have to explain to me. He litterally did what everyone else / country has done. He undermined it (along with everyone else) due to WHO not doing their jobs and they feed the public with bs information.Glad they are not getting anymore of our money. The anti trans policies only affected a few people, but certainly didn't destroy American life. There was warranted concerns about trans joining the military because of their high suicide tendencies. The military is also known for high suicide rate as well. I'm okay with transgenders joining the military, but there definitely needs to be research and development that needs to be taken place before letting them in to make sure their needs are met such as health care. By the way, the military is extremely picky on who can join.

For example, if you were on antidepressants you have to be off it and wait a year before joining or if you had asthma just once after a certain age you are DQ for life.

Last edited by Snoopy - on 15 August 2020

vivster said:
Quick question regarding the US constitution. Which article, if any, describes the preservation of democracy and its processes like voting? The current government doesn't seem to be very fond of democracy and is trying its best to disassemble it. Just wondering if the Constitution would have something to say about that.

I know Germany's constitution has such an article and we have an extra constitutional court that will go ape shit if someone even thinks about attacking the concept of democracy.

Lots of it...if the courts actually read the damn thing.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution

Art. 1 Sec. 4: States determine "Times, Places, and Manner of holding elections" but "Congress may...make or alter such Regulations." This is why we can have a (gutted by the Supreme Court) Voting Rights Act.

The Bill of Rights doesn't specifically mention a right to vote, but the 9th Amendment DOES say "the enumeration in the Constitution,  of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The courts have used this clause to find a right to privacy, a right to marriage, etc. And later the 15th Amendment adds a right to vote.



15th Amendment Sec. 1 (1868?): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude--"

This SHOULD mean that when Republicans pass voter ID laws since they know minorities are less likely to have, say, a driver's license, or a gun permit, and then close down the places to get one in minority areas, the courts should step in...but they don't.

19th Amendment (1920): "The right...to vote shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex."

26th Amendment (1970s?): "The right of citizens...eighteen...or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged...on account of age."



14th Amendment: "No state shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


Theoretically, this should mean things like...


Equal number of polling places per capita (right now, minority areas rarely have enough, while white areas nearly always do).


Republicans and Democrats both able to convert votes into representation (all swing states have some degree of GOP gerrymandering. 75% of Ohio's representatives are Republican even though only half the state votes that way).


And other things...but the conservative-dominated courts rarely agree.

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Corporate Dems hate the left more than they hate the right, left leaning media to be denied access to the DNC Convention :/   

The US political spectrum when compared to the World is almost all far Right, there is a reason the US has so many issues in regards to its people  

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Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

I see what you're getting at but because you dont like Democratic policies doesn't mean you have to be a strong supporter of Trump because you can make the argument that some of his actions have destroyed some aspects of American life such as what he says, his lack oc action with covid, and how the anti trans policies in the military and hud. Like im not a big fan of the Democratic party either but Trump has also done a lot of harm.

The lack of action with covid you are going to have to explain to me. He litterally did what everyone else / country has done. He undermined it (along with everyone else) due to WHO not doing their jobs and they feed the public with bs information.Glad they are not getting anymore of our money. The anti trans policies only affected a few people, but certainly didn't destroy American life. There was warranted concerns about trans joining the military because of their high suicide tendencies. The military is also known for high suicide rate as well. I'm okay with transgenders joining the military, but there definitely needs to be research and development that needs to be taken place before letting them in to make sure their needs are met such as health care. By the way, the military is extremely picky on who can join.

For example, if you were on antidepressants you have to be off it and wait a year before joining or if you had asthma just once after a certain age you are DQ for life.

For COVID he was undermining health officials like Fauci, he was pushing for states to reopen too quickly,  and was anti mask until last month. Yeah he did do things like the border closures and 15 days to stop the spread but still hes one of the reasons America never left the first wave. When you look at out covid graphs you see us peak and then drop a little and stagnate then another peak while most other countries peaked dropped a lot and are now increasing a bit.

Well one of Americas founding ideals is freedom and banning trans people from serving and discriminating against them in HUD is definitely against the ideal American way of life where everyone should be free and treated equally. 



Snoopy said:
Rab said:

Trump admits he won’t fund USPS so that mail-in ballots don't arrive, admits to voter suppression so he has a chance to win in November 

This is getting to be 3rd World politics  

Mail in ballots is a scam. If you can mass protest, you can walk into a voting booth for 5 minutes to cast a vote. I'm sure everyone here went to a grocery store  for more than 5 minutes to buy their groceries.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." --Joseph Stalin

So every person who wants mail in ballots also went to protests?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Snoopy said:
Rab said:

Trump admits he won’t fund USPS so that mail-in ballots don't arrive, admits to voter suppression so he has a chance to win in November 

This is getting to be 3rd World politics  

Mail in ballots is a scam. If you can mass protest, you can walk into a voting booth for 5 minutes to cast a vote. I'm sure everyone here went to a grocery store  for more than 5 minutes to buy their groceries.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes." --Joseph Stalin

Yeah, we saw that in Florida in 2000. But those were not mail-in ballots.



Snoopy said:
sundin13 said:

I personally will likely not be utilizing mail-in voting. My grandparents on the other hand haven't been going out. We have family delivering them groceries (leaving them outside the door) so they don't have to risk their health. One of the primary mail-in voting populations is the elderly, which makes the fact that the Republicans are suddenly waging a war against it all the more baffling.

Additional populations who tend to vote by mail include disabled individuals, who likely haven't been spending significant amounts of time in protests, and the military population, who also likely haven't been spending significant amounts of time at protests.

Because they know it can be easily tampered with. Also, why not drive your grandparents to vote? Your family seems to be willing to drive and deliver multiple things for them. I'm sure they can pick them up if they cared so much about them and want them to vote. And again, it's not just protests, but basic things you still have to do.

If that was even remotely true, then the Republicans would make Mail-in Ballots the rule, not the exception. After all, it's the Republicans who are tempering with the votes to get a maximum of non-whites excluded with their vote suppression tactics, like giving the wrong date or location for the vote or not allowing them because another person has a similar name, things like that. The reason they don't like Mail-in Ballots are because these tactics simply don't work with mailed ballots.