sundin13 said:
iron_megalith said:
I disagree with that since voter fraud in mail-in voting has been here long before coronavirus came in. People raised concerns about it in the past years and now it's suddenly a non-issue. The problem here is that we are enticing a lot more people to do mail-in voting regardless of whatever reason.
If you say that it is impossible to negate the risk, then that is partially true. But the same can be said with everything. There's always a risk. If we cripple ourselves too much, we are not going to function at all. I don't want to repeat myself but like I said, if people would just sit down and come up with very good measures, we can conduct it in a very safe manner. Then again, the political will form both sides are not there and would rather swing things in their favor whenever they get the chance.
With regards Republicans doing the sabotaging, I'd say that the Democrats are equally as guilty in their own ways. But I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. I will just leave it at that.
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The rate of mail-in voter fraud is low even though about half of US States allow individuals to vote by mail without providing any reason. Many of these states are Republican states. In Oregon, the first state to adopt a universal vote by mail system, there have only been 15 cases of voter fraud identified over 19 years. That is not a volume worth killing people for.
There is no reason for this to be controversial, however there is every reason that we should have a system which is able to handle a large volume of mail in voting ballots safely and securely. We are at more risk if we don't take steps to prepare. In 2016, almost a quarter of all ballots were cast through the mail and this will increase in 2020 without any changes to existing law. Again, there is simply no argument in favor of gimping the Postal Service to harm mail-in voting. All that accomplishes is making our voting systems less secure.
And again, we should not be asking people to weigh decisions about their health and the health of those around them in order to vote. Yes, other things carry risk sometimes (however we shouldn't really be comparing other nebulous risks to a virus which will likely have killed over 200k Americans by election day...), however, again, voting is the most fundamental right in a functioning democracy. We should seek to remove barriers to ensure that those who wish to vote are able to do so. Again, "don't put up hurdles for voting" shouldn't be a controversial statement.
As for your last statement, what is the purpose of even writing that if you aren't going to make an argument?
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I said my point that the problem is them encouraging more people to do mail-in voting even with no compelling reason to do so. But it seems that you have made up your mind that there's nothing we can do to prevent getting infected while still functioning properly in our daily lives. I strongly disagree with that. I don't like how frozen in fear we have become in this pandemic.
Now with regards to your questions as to why I brought that up and don't want to make an argument, is because I find your statement ludicrous but don't want to argue. I'm free to disagree with that statement of yours. In all honesty, you keep replying to me to start an argument when I'm not really interested in playing your game.
We can all have different point of views here and I can respect that. However, I'll be honest as to why I'm sick of arguing in this thread. It sickens me that people were willing to justify Antifa and BLM's cause and bad behavior and at the same time label Trump as a fascist. That's severely unreasonable for me and I don't want any part of that.
I'll still engage in a light discussion. I believe I'm free to post here as long as it is on topic and as long as I am not breaking any rules.
Last edited by iron_megalith - on 15 August 2020
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