tsogud said: You are falsely equating a profession, with which you have a choice, with a racial group, with which you don't. |
Not exactly. Those are not my words taken within it's intended context.
tsogud said: How can that make sense to you?? They chose to be a cop, they chose to take and follow an oath to protect the citizens of their country not murder them, they chose to stay silent and standby while someone was getting murdered. |
And the counter protests CHOSE to pillage, rape, destroy in retaliation. They CHOSE to do that as well.
I am criticizing BOTH sides for their childish bullshit, don't paint me out to be someone Pro-Police or Pro-African American, I am neither.
I don't have a side in this. At. All.
tsogud said: Their badge comes off at the end of their shift or when they quit or get fired, but black people cannot take off their skin when they're tired of the injustices. They are themselves 24/7 and because of that they're callously targeted by an oppressive system day in and day out. How can you seriously equate the two and treat it as if they don't have any major difference?? |
Not exactly. At the end of my shift, I take off my firefighter uniform, I take off my badge.
But I am still a firefighter with certain community expectations and obligations.
There was a big issue here recently in Australia when a Police officer stoned a wombat to death, that police officer was out of uniform, didn't have his badge on... Yet was ridiculed heavily for being a "police officer" that brutally murdered an animal.
Just because you take your uniform off, doesn't mean the expectations stop for certain codes of conducts.
tsogud said: We need major criminal justice reform in America and defunding of the police across the board to ever hope to stop the problem of police brutality that's been going on for decades. The system is broken and has been broken for far too long. |
Yes you do. And is EXACTLY what I am proposing if you had bothered to read before jumping the gun.
tsogud said: In our constitution it says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." |
With all due respect to you, your nation and it's peoples... I couldn't give two shits about the US constitution, it is irrelevant to me as an individual, what a piece of paper says or doesn't say, doesn't mean it is ethically correct or right.
tsogud said: The current system of governance has never appropriately and fairly secured these unalienable rights for black people in this country. EVERY. SINGLE. INSTITUTION. Whether it's housing, education, the crimal justice system, etc. has systematically, overtly and covertly, targeted black and brown people in America for centuries. Until there's justice there can never truly be any peace. |
There is historical precedence for certain demographics to be treated unfairly across the planet, but again... There is a right and wrong way to go about things, delving into violence where people are loosing their livelihoods, people are being beaten and raped... Is not okay, was never okay and should not be condoned just because it's a "protest".
Protest the right way, not the violent way.
KLAMarine said: "As for the second bit, maybe if this wasn't a problem that had been going on for generations I would be able to agree with you. I would like it if people protested the "right" way, however, we have largely seen that protesting the "right" way hasn't worked." >The LA riots of the 90s didn't seem to do a thing to prevent Floyd's death either. Maybe rioting and looting isn't the way either? |
Demonstrations are generally seen as a democratic right in all free nations and should be defended and protected, but there is simply a line you don't cross... And that line is when it starts to impact on innocent individuals that have nothing to do with it.
tsogud said: No. That's not the point because he would have said that. He used specific words like "equally dangerous" to describe painting all people of a certain profession one way to being racist. They're not the same thing at all. And that's not even the issue or concern I raised. So if that is his point then he's attacking a straw man because in nowhere in my posts did I paint all cops with the same brush. The problem I was talking about is the system of governance and the institution itself in combination with America's systematic racism is what leads to the kind of police brutality we see. |
Wrong. That is exactly the point.
People need to be "punished" for doing the wrong thing, not punish entire demographic for the actions of a few.
Not all police officers hate, beat, murder African Americans.
And not all African Americans are out on the streets destroying life, property and the environment.
We need to stop painting entire groups with the same colour of brush, regardless of what we call them, that is my point, that is my position.
And you are arguing against that? Common.
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