tsogud said:
Hmm... Good points, good points. Bolded being particularly truthful. Men do have a lot of pressure from society to act/be a certain way just like women. Her research may have been shallow and her views on porn are antiquated but her observation holds some truth. Lesbians, particularly in the western world, really are sexualized and objectified a lot but I do disagree that porn is the sole cause or even a major factor at play here. It's pretty complex. I hope you don't feel all feminists "try to put a wedge between genders" and exacerbate the issue though. |
I'm actually a big opponent of the word "objectification". It's being treated as something inherently wrong but there is actually absolutely nothing bad about it.
Sex and attractiveness are natural stimulants. People like their stimulants, be it food, games, drugs or just looking at a pretty sunset. Looking at an attractive person and getting your fill because you appreciate what you see is normal and healthy. Yes, you basically look at the person as if it is an object, a beautiful object that is fun to look at. But what else are you supposed to do? It's a stranger to you and you know nothing else but the pretty exterior. I see absolutely nothing wrong in looking at something pretty or even giving a compliment, as long as it's not too overbearing. If I see a hot girl and have a nice double take of what I just saw, what exactly am I doing wrong? What could I do better in that situation? Not looking? Should I ask for a date and send flowers before I appreciate the automatic and genetic reaction I get anyway?
There is nothing wrong with appreciating beauty. People watch porn for the same reasons as they watch regular movies, yet no one calls out on cinema goers as bad people because they objectify actors. I mean there are people who laugh at deaths in horror movies. They're basically objectifying the victims for their own pleasure. Same thing in porn. It's a visual medium that is supposed to show you fantasy. You're not supposed to think of them as actual people but rather devices to fulfill your fantasy.
Same can be said about prostitution. Yes, prostitutes are basically treated like objects by their customers but that is literally the point. There is not supposed to be a special interpersonal bond. It's just one person doing manual labor for money. Construction workers are treated like objects, farmers are, literally every job that uses manual labor is basically selling your body for money. That is the whole point of it.
I will be damned for being called an asshole for appreciating things for their purpose. We're not talking about daylight rapists, we're talking about people who are hardwired to react to stimulants and would never hurt another human being.
As for genderism, the issue I have with a lot of it is the method of trying to obtain equality. People focus on the differences and celebrate the differences, but then suddenly demand equality while still being treated differently. That's toxic and unhelpful in my opinion. It's not "we deserve equal rights despite being women", it should be "we deserve equal rights because we are all humans". I actually hate genders and think they have outlived their usefulness. "Being proud to be a woman" is not more or less "toxic" than "manspreading". Gender should have absolutely zero bearing on anything unless you're talking to a doctor and biological sex is important for treatment.
I don't like feminists who try to achieve equality by claiming women are special or in some ways superior to men. The word feminism is already counterproductive. It's about human rights, not female rights. Society needs to grow up to a point where gender does not exist and everything that plops out of a vagina will be treated the same. That includes "harmless" things like gendered clothing and toys. The differences between men and women only exist in the first place because society works hard to separate the genders as much as possible. Just like a lot of feminists are working hard to establish that women are different while at the same time demanding to be equals.
On a side note, that's why I also have absolutely no respect for trans people. Because you cannot transition between arbitrary concepts that you invented yourself in your head. And that's what genders are; arbitrary concepts that do not hold up to any scrutiny when you seriously think about it. In my book trans people are inherently detrimental to any equal rights movement because they celebrate differences that do not exist and do not matter.
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