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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:
Here is my stance on this issue. In Politics, you are never going to get everything you want and you definitely will not get a candidate who support everything you want. When you decide to not vote you do nothing to help yourself or to effect change. You definitely have no claim to bitch if the outcome is worst then you expected by non action. As a black man living in the US for 50 years, I have always chosen to vote even when none of the candidates were worth my time. The reason is simple, in order to effect change I need to move the needle closure to what I want even if it doesn't move at all. What I am looking for is for the needle to not move backwards.

Minority groups should always vote. My reason is that if not, then as a group if you do not effect an outcome, then no candidate has to ever consider you important. Politics is a long slow process when you are part of a minority group.

Here's my stance.

The Dems should have changed significantly already, solely because they lost to Trump. That alone was more than enough of a wake up call to get moving for them. Instead they haven't done a lot, and probably because they didn't lose by much from their point of view, so all they have to do is tweak a few things and push a little harder to get elected, so they may think.

If this is what takes place, you can bet they won't change if they gain power again. Why should they? If they didn't need to after losing to Trump and were able to get back into power anyway, then why cater to anyone they didn't need to prior?

As far as I'm concerned, if you truly want change, you need to make it abundantly clear that you've had enough. Sitting at home and not voting won't accomplish that, because that's what the politicians are assuming some of you are going to do, since who in their right mind would go out and vote for Trump, right? This just makes it more likely the election will be a closer race again, and look at that that led to last time when the Dems lost.

If I wanted change, and it didn't seem likely that would come by sitting at home, as much as I might hate their guts, I'd potentially vote for the opposition. Make sure they win by such a margin that it's clear to my typical party of choice that 'their own voters' will do what's necessary for change. A clear win for Trump overall, will force the Dems to change. They will have no other choice, or continue to allow Reps to control things going forward, and you know the Dems won't sit back and allow that easily beyond Trump if they lose big, this time around.

And yes, I myself would do this if I thought my typical party of choice was that screwed up and headed in a direction I wasn't happy with, even if I didn't like the opposition party leader. Sitting at home in 2016 may have made more sense, but if the party hasn't learned yet after what's happened over four years time, especially in this scenario, then they probably need to learn the hard way unfortunately.

Now the opposition party would have to be somewhat palatable as well, considering that's another four years you have to deal with them. You don't want them screwing things up so badly that when your party finally get's their act together and comes back swinging, that they have Everest to climb before they can make any progress because of the recent administration. Mind you, if the opposition is likely to win anyway, then that makes the decision even tougher if you really don't like their policies.

It's a choice every voter needs to make, and everyone is free to choose who to vote for, or not to vote at all. Refraining from voting entirely can do more harm than may be apparent however.

The only thing that change any party is the number of voter blocks pushing for change. Its the reason Obama got the Job and then the same reason Trump.  A party doesn't learn anything instead its the voters who learn.  They see their pick either doing what they were looking for or they do not and they seek something different.  This is the reason why you do not see much change in any particular party and its why you will not see much now.  Its a very slow process but a the old guard die and go, the new come in.



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What are the Democrats doing??? Literally handing Trump an excuse.



 

CNN 'Larry King' episode featuring Biden accuser's mother disappears from Google Play catalog

The 1993 episode of CNN's "Larry King Live" featuring an anonymous caller who was later identified as the mother of Biden accuser Tara Reade was no longer listed in Google Play's catalog late Saturday. Twitter user J.L. Hamilton shared a screenshot showing the Aug. 11, 1993, broadcast of "Larry King Live" was no longer listed in the season three catalog of the iconic CNN talk show. Mysteriously, though, the Aug. 10 broadcast, which is listed as "Episode 154" is followed by the Aug. 12 broadcast, which is listed as "Episode 155," suggesting that episode and the ones that follow could be incorrectly listed and off by a number.

On Sunday afternoon, CNN provided as a statement a reply tweet from CNN Communications spokesperson Matt Dornic, who denied that the network removed anything from Google Play, calling the allegation from Hamilton "B.S." "Listings on the site are not sourced thru CNN. Click any episode, it will say 'not available to watch,'" Dornic added in the reply to the Twitter user.

A source told Fox News that "Larry King Live" was never available on Google Play and its entire catalog was listed there for users to add to on their "wishlist" so that they could be notified if the program became available later.



tsogud said:

What are the Democrats doing??? Literally handing Trump an excuse.

Considering what we're going through (The US just passed 1 Million cases of Covid-19), it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Also, while he technically could postphone the election (which would need a majority in both Senate and House to get approved, and there's no chance that could happen), he can't postphone the day that his mandate runs out in January. Worse, the Speaker of the House would become acting President then, so Nanci Pelosi would inherit the Presidency after that date.

So, better stop the Primaries as the other thing will just get Trump ousted for sure.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
tsogud said:

What are the Democrats doing??? Literally handing Trump an excuse.

Considering what we're going through (The US just passed 1 Million cases of Covid-19), it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Also, while he technically could postphone the election (which would need a majority in both Senate and House to get approved, and there's no chance that could happen), he can't postphone the day that his mandate runs out in January. Worse, the Speaker of the House would become acting President then, so Nanci Pelosi would inherit the Presidency after that date.

So, better stop the Primaries as the other thing will just get Trump ousted for sure.

Mail-in ballots are a thing though so cancelling a primary just fuels Trump's ridiculous base. You can bet he'll run with this. It's a bad decision, should've just closed the polling places and did mail-in ballots only. The Democrats set a bad precedent with this one.



 

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tsogud said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Considering what we're going through (The US just passed 1 Million cases of Covid-19), it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Also, while he technically could postphone the election (which would need a majority in both Senate and House to get approved, and there's no chance that could happen), he can't postphone the day that his mandate runs out in January. Worse, the Speaker of the House would become acting President then, so Nanci Pelosi would inherit the Presidency after that date.

So, better stop the Primaries as the other thing will just get Trump ousted for sure.

Mail-in ballots are a thing though so cancelling a primary just fuels Trump's ridiculous base. You can bet he'll run with this. It's a bad decision, should've just closed the polling places and did mail-in ballots only. The Democrats set a bad precedent with this one.

Ah, didn't know those were also cancelled. My bad.



The evidence keeps mounting against Biden. Believe women, even when it's politically inconvenient. You can't beat evil with more evil.

"Now two more sources have come forward to corroborate certain details about Reade's claims. One of them — a former neighbor of Reade's — has told Insider for the first time, on the record, that Reade disclosed details about the alleged assault to her in the mid-1990s.

"This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," Lynda LaCasse, who lived next door to Reade in the mid-'90s, told Insider.

The other source, Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the office of a California state senator in the mid-'90s, told Insider that she recalls Reade complaining at the time that her former boss in Washington, DC, had sexually harassed her, and that she had been fired after raising concerns."



 



 

tsogud said:

The evidence keeps mounting against Biden. Believe women, even when it's politically inconvenient. You can't beat evil with more evil.

"Now two more sources have come forward to corroborate certain details about Reade's claims. One of them — a former neighbor of Reade's — has told Insider for the first time, on the record, that Reade disclosed details about the alleged assault to her in the mid-1990s.

"This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," Lynda LaCasse, who lived next door to Reade in the mid-'90s, told Insider.

The other source, Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the office of a California state senator in the mid-'90s, told Insider that she recalls Reade complaining at the time that her former boss in Washington, DC, had sexually harassed her, and that she had been fired after raising concerns."

My stance on any allegations is that it must be decided in the courts.  Public opinion and evidence really doesn't have any weight unless we can get it all together in court.  Its my same stance against Trump.  Until all those allegation of rape and inappropriate behavior goes to court, its still just one person word over another.  I had 3 people wrongly accused of rape in my lifetime and until people are on the stand are we capable of getting to the truth.