RolStoppable said:
uran10 said:
Incorrect. If Its Bernie (how unlikely that is due to everything) he actually has an easy shot a Trump now due to the virus and market crash. On the other hand Biden, due to his clear cognitive decline, his team hiding him away and whenever he does show up he says something.... Biden like (lol) he'd get destroyed. Again though, the crash and virus have made Trump weaker so even Biden might... and that's a very small might, might be able to win. But Yea, I'm 100% sure right now that if it was Bernie this would be fairly easy now.
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Did I miss something major and the election system has changed dramatically in the USA? The president still gets voted by the American people, right? So your confidence is very misplaced.
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That's exactly why my confidence isn't misplaced. Let's start with the "vote blue no matter who" crowd. They will vote blue even if its Bernie. They have this crazy hare for Trump and they just want him gone, this is the vote that's putting Biden over because they have this misconception that he can beat Trump (he needs the luck of the irish, and help from god for that to even remotely happen). Bernie has his supporters + that vote at the start. 2nd Trump won the independent vote in 2016, and will win it in 2020 unless the person who actually leads with independents is the nominee. That's Bernie again. Independents decide the election, they're the largest voting block and a lot of them stayed home in 2016 because it was Trump V clinton. It'll be the same and the few that come out will go to Trump, unless virus / market crash ends up being that bad.
While the primary may not look like it the youth vote is actually up and up a decent amount, again its just the vote blue no matter who boomer crowd is also up massively. The older folk always go republican while the democrats rely on the youth vote to save them, Biden doesn't win Youths while they're overwhelmingly with Bernie. Majority of them will stay home with Biden while with Bernie they'll come out in full force in the general.
Also in head to head, Bernie Debating Trump would be easy for Bernie. Trump pulls you down to his level and beats you with experience, he uses the skeletons in your closet and your bad voting record against you. Bernie is by far the best in each of these regards since he doesn't have those and on top of that he always pivots back to policy which he would dominate Trump on.
He goes on fox news, goes into trump county and has them giving him standing ovations etc. They love him and would vote for him if he's the nominee but then there's Biden the guy that shipped away their jobs etc. Honestly, Bernie beating Trump seems so easy, yet its more difficult than it seems because of how the establishment dems have made him so much more difficult to beat with russia gate and impeachment etc. Bernie's 1 real flaw is that he gave into russiagate somewhat and that did actually hurt him with independents. But if the choice is between someone who has been fighting for them all their lives against the establishment or Trump? People will go to Bernie, he's a real populist and this is a populist era. If we put up Biden v Trump the fake populist being Trump will destroy him while the real Populist Bernie would be able to back up his words with his record and knows where the people are hurting and can speak directly to them. The Dem primary has lots of rigging, heavy media BS, propaganda at play. Lots of clear voter suppression and voter fraud that Biden supporters gleefully overlook because "they're winning" not knowing that Trump will destroy Biden without literal divine intervention.
But Yes, Bernie wins the voting blocks that you need for the general, independents and youth. The normie democrats will vote for him and so will the actual left of america who actually make up a chunk of independents. He'll also win the anti-establishment vote, which is the largest chunk of independents. He brings out non voters as well. Honestly, anyone saying that Bernie would have a harder time vs Trump isn't facing reality, but anyone saying it'll be easy also isn't. But the fact that Bernie is the antithesis of Trump is why he's the actual best shot and why he would have destroyed him in 2016.