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Machina said:
pokoko said:

Or you can use a bit of common sense.  I've never even seen the games you're talking about.  I look at featured, top selling, curator recommendations, general recommendations, and, most importantly, the discovery queue.  Mostly, though, I just wait for an email to tell me if a game is on sale on my massive wishlist.  A quick mouse over for any game shows me the user reviews so I can dismiss anything in under a second.

I really have no problem.

This, I don't get the complaints. If all you want to browse through are well-received titles then that's easy to do. Similarly, it's easy to avoid the shovelware releases if you're not interested in them.

The complaints is about having games that shouldn't exist on a platform available for everyone. Even the developer of Rape Day admitted the game should have never released on Steam. Valve only acts after they get slapped in the face. Steams image is heading towards the shovelware and incomplete and offensive games. Watch the video and you will see exactly what i mean.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Your first sentence is hilarious considering Steam's store is one of the most talked about controversies and basically is brought up anytime someone wants to complain about the service (even by people who don't use it).

Steam is a better storefront than any console and allows more customization than any of them and honestly when people complain about it I tend to think they just don't know how to use it. Even without messing with any of the settings these trash games never pop up in the front of the store - it makes me wonder if people are just tired of seeing indies, AA or even AAA games they don't care about, and so they just throw it under the bus with the crap that Steam actually has, even though it isn't deserving of it, thus blowing up the problem. This would make even more sense because Steam's storefront doesn't just focus on the new big things but also some older games as well.

There is no excuse when you can customize your search results to your liking through genre tags, ignore lists, ques and more that you can walk away and say that Steam is crap. And honestly I don't even get why people make such a big deal out of this for Steam but not consoles ... how many people just randomly spend 30 minutes looking for random games? I know I'm going to get a reply saying "Me" but this is really not something common, in fact on consoles it's hard to do it at all because the interface is so slow and you can't customize the results as much. It's like people just don't want to use a search bar or click a few buttons.

That being said Steam could be better, stuff like the rape game shouldn't be on the store, but the store is constantly improving and this is the kind of stuff that's either never talked about or doesn't become a popular topic. Steam has even invited and had Jim at their headquarters iirc and a lot of the lessons they learned they put into the settings for steam ... YEARS AGO - and yet Jim keeps complaining like he doesn't know this. I honestly don't understand why people don't get the appeal of a laissez-faire storefront. It's like people just want the Steam store to be the Playstation store. Stop making nothing controversies into big events, because people buying obvious shovelware (every piece of shovelware on steam is beyond obvious) or having a hard time using a search bar or games slipping through the cracks that no one even knows about until the media talks about it - isn't a real problem, it's a made up one.

Steam has had very little curation in the past years and with Steam Direct that has gone down to a nice round zero curation. So in that department Steam became deliberately worse and that's exactly what Jim is criticizing.

There is simply no excuse to at least filter the most broken and offensive stuff, but even that little effort is too much for Steam and that attitude is worth criticizing every day.



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BasilZero said:

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Lets get this out the way. Going on a porn site is a lot different than allowing it on an every day App that anyone can use. Its no difference to you saying going on a Porn site to download your video games is perfectly fine because you don't have to watch the porn, the fact its there is the problem.

Now as for Steam as a service, its the best featured gaming launcher in the world and the biggest. That's not the issue, the issue is Valves lack of care for quality control. They clearly like making money off anything on Steam even if its inhumane. 

Here is a good example of the bad practises Steam allow. This game below is $34.99 that some poor suspects would have probably brought based off a trailer or some sort of impulse buying habit. 

^ Why do you want this shit on Steam? What benefits does it give you knowing that there are games out there that just rip players off and in many other cases, are just scams to take your money and Valve slightly profits from it as well. Its a very bad image to uphold when you are making money off insulting rape games. I would not be surprise if there is a game on Steam that's a flight Sim about blowing up the Twin towers or some Pro Terrorist games about blowing up people because Valve wont stop it from coming through there gates.. you want to continue allowing Steam to have these types of games? 

Its not hard to hire someone or a better QA person to just keep a bare minimal at least. No one is asking for bad games to be blocked, there is nothing wrong with bad games, but broken and unfinished games or insulting games is a problem. They shouldn't exist let alone be on a general app.

Jim is 100% right, and I was brutal on him about his review on Zelda BOTW but its hard not to agree with him on this.  

2nd point is that not only are many games insulting or scammy, that some games actually ruin the eco-system. There are games you can buy with real money that can unlock achievements.. Look up Achievement Clicker on the store front, you can unlock 4497 achievements by just clicking the screen.. So achievements mean shit on Steam due to Valves lack of care of duty. You want to continue to defend this behaviour? I don't, and that's coming from someone who has Valve as there top 3 favourite gaming companies in the world and a long serving Steam user.

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Ganoncrotch said:
Agree with some of the above posts, Steam has been a mess for a while now, realistically the main UI hasn't gotten an overhaul in years and while originally it was very much ahead of the times, right now it's actually bordering on subpar in comparison to the rival offerings.

Steam used to be a place for the master race of games, but I mean, you open that program now and after several pop ups telling you about promotion games then you're left left probably looking at a welcome screen of no name indie asset flip junk.

That's why I think they are missing a trick here. They own some killer ips so why not make new games to the highest standard and hype them to the wazoo, exclusive to steam. 



Doesn't the store mainly place recommended games that are based on your playing history front and center, followed by games on sale, followed by games your friends are playing or from groups you're a member of?

That kind of suggests you or your friends play a lot of trash...