Ok  then our reference card is a mistake, change Hawaii to Tahiti, because Tahiti was a high end GPU from 2013  and being surpassed by Polaris, there you have Polaris to Navi comparison possibility able to surpassed Vega 64 and radeon VII 

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-R9-390/3634vs3481

I thought Hawaii was the one on 7970 or R 390 but it was tahiti. 

The video already prove it both of the argument, theory, math and all calculation. 

We are not discussing if it could be better or not, we are talking a big jump in AMD , of course we are not comparing to Nvidia, we are comparing to AMD previous GPU, so that gain is big. 

I want a family of playstation 5 devices. A ps5 portable, a ps5 base, a ps5 pro and a ps5 elite, devices for all kinds and wallets.

This works for apple but will it work for ma and pa to not have to ask a bunch of questions about which to get when they know their kid wants a PlayStation 

Yes, and a 3x density improvement should accommodate that.

There's a big difference between designing Navi for being built on the 7nm process node and shrinking Vega 7 to 7nm. Designing a SOC on the 7nm node is very expensive. Vega 7 is a low volume niche product and the shrink to 7nm was most likely a bare minimum effort.

I don't believe there is a need for making a departure from GCN for AMD. All the current bottlenecks are not any major flaws in the architecture and can be overcome by evolutionary updates of the various units.

Load balancing is not a major issue yet. The number of pixels per CU for 16 CUs@1080p is the same as 64 CUs@4K. There are not any significant inefficiencies when crossing the 16CU boundary at 1080p and the same applies when crossing 64CUs at 4K.

Tahiti was the Radeon R9 280... But your comparison link is between Polaris and Hawaii? Like... You what, mate?

I feel like you are extremely confused, but despite that... Intend to keep arguing the point anyway.

No. It asserts those points and proves nothing.
A youtube video evidence does not make. - Otherwise I can simply claim the Earth is flat, lots of youtube videos about that!

False. We are discussing the entire big picture.

The point I am making is that Navi is not designed and built for 7nm.
It's the same old Graphics Core Next architecture.

There is a massive need. The fact that AMD is a generation or two behind nVidia is a testament to that very fact.

It's always an issue.

I'd be surprised if they achieve that GPU power.

Maybe in a premium model.

More importantly, Apple devices arent cheap. Relative to other products that perform similar functions, NEW Apple devices range from expensive to really expensive.

Trends have shown consoles can thrive at about $399 at launch with discounts over time to stimulate sales.

I question if the market actually wants many models of consoles, I think people just tolerate what Apple does. I think a base and premium is ideal. Something reasonably priced that runs everything well, while a premium option that just does everything better like a higher spec PC.

While a mobile Playstation 5 just cant happen. You dont get modern home console graphics on a handheld device. Switch is $299 and people are impressed when it makes PS3 graphics.

Ok so the point is, Polaris are on equal terms with High End GPu from previous year 

Why the hell bring up flat earthers argument in here. Both are different matter. 

False??? yup , you are the one who arefalse, you don't get the entire big picture on how and low  iGPU Navi  can be as powerful as mainstream GPU . Imagine how powerful dedicated mainstream desktop GPU is? 

I don't think you understand what Permalite is saying (or in what troubles AMD is with its design philosophy).

That is generally what should happen. A high-end parts performance level should filter down into the mainstream at some point, usually with the next generation or shrink.
But that hasn't happened with Polaris meeting Fury's performance level just yet as Fury still even out-benches the RX 590... And it's almost 4 years old! Which just reaffirms my prior points of how AMD has blatantly stagnated.

Er. Because both have youtube videos? I believe in empirical evidence, not opinion pieces from a youtube video.

I don't think you fully comprehend how bad AMD is in terms of performance/watt when compared to any of nVidia's efforts... At the moment it is almost impossible to recommend AMD's GPU hardware... Only their CPU's. - Which is a complete reversal from a few years ago where you couldn't recommend their garbage FX CPU's, but you could recommend their GPU's.

At the end of the day... AMD's most powerful GPU ever is Vega 7. - That isn't going to change when Navi releases. Simple as that.
And Vega 7 does leave a user wanting considering how prohibitively expensive it is to manufacture.

Indeed. With Vega 64 AMD spent the bulk of it's 3.9~ billion transistors over Fiji in adding additional stages to each cores pipelines.. And used transistor space to add "dark silicon" between areas to reduce leakage/noise and introduced mechanisms to lengthen a cycle so they can clock the GPU up significantly.

It's also what nVidia did with Pascal, hence why Pascal GPU's tend to have higher transistor counts over Maxwell for a similar amount of functional units (Remember Pascal isn't a big deviation from Maxwell from a functionality perspective either!)
Contrary to popular belief... Driving up clockrates on processors isn't just about dumping more voltage into the chip or building the chip on a smaller node.

Granted AMD did introduce some extra half-arsed features into Vega as well which took up some of the transistor count... But the bulk was essentially spent to drive up clockspeeds in one way or another.

In the end though, depending on what kind of library you use, 7nm isn't a 3x density over 14nm anyway. - If you were to compare worst to best, maybe... Apples to apples you are probably looking at a 1.5x-2x improvement.
What makes matters worst is that TSMC, Samsung, Global Foundries etc' 14nm process isn't a true 14nm process anyway, they tend to have a 20nm BEOL... But enough about that, I could rattle on about fabrication for weeks.