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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

Man, those must be some lousy vacations if you find time to create and respond to this thread.



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IGN, Polygon, Kotaku and all the rest can go F themselves.



forevercloud3000 said:
Dulfite said:
Most games in Japan are catered towards what the Japanese want to see, so you don't exactly see a lot of white or black people in those games and, when you do, their stereotypes are greatly exaggerated (huge eyes on white people, for instance). Am I offended by that? No. That is their market and they do what makes sense.

Here are demographic breakdowns of the United States:
*These numbers may not be exact, but we can update after the 2020 census*

U.S.
63% white
17% Latino/Hispanic
13.1% Black
5.1% Asian
1.2% Native American

If a game is catered towards the American/European Market, then it makes sense for it to often, if not the majority of the time, have white main characters. People need to stop being so offended. This is simply capitalism at work.

I get what you are saying and I agree what someone else posted, that video game writers are just going with what they know. If they are white they are likely to write white characters.

Yet I would point out that video games are not perportionate to the demographic you cited. And I have seen some charts that put the margin of white in america is 40-50% now. This is not properly demonstrated in media because 90%+ is white male, not 50%. Almost all movies/video games of yesterday and today have the same exact archtype white male leads. The number of video games that put a Black or hispanic(god forbid....an asian) main character on it are very slim. Mafia III, Dishonored 3, GTA San Andreas, Just Cause, Watch Dogs 2, Sleeping Dogs and.......I think that is about it. It gets really dicey when you bring in the fact that 50% of the population is female yet still..... 90%+ of the leads are male.  I can probably name more than 100 games with character archtypes as the Previewer stated.

The few games that are experimenting with diversification are selling less(except in the case of games like GTA SA), even when in a anthology series. Why is this? The quality of the game itself could very well be different but at least part of that factor is thought to be white male gamers have a harder time identifying with characters that are not on some level similar to them, or at least the pennacle masculine archtype they are used to. This is often sited as a capitalistic reason on why games do not deviate too often from the traditional. Yet if this even is the case, I would state that black/hispanic/asian/women/etc have been consuming video games for a long time, combined make up 40-50% of the marketshare,  yet have always just been expected to be able to find common denominator with characters that don't look anything like them.

 

And then people complain about anyone wanting to see a little more diversity, not even in race....just give us some variance from the gruff white male lead. Give me a bookwormy clean shaven guy with a normal voice.  Sure, it feels pandering now but developers,fans  and critics alike seek to make up for lost time.

Not sure what source says whites are only 40-50%, I have yet to see any official numbers that look like that. Usually, looking at official Census sources, it is somewhere between 55-65%.

Also, if they are catering towards American market, that means they are catering towards the main gamer demographic, not releasing games proportionally to our demographic base. If whites are the majority of Americans, then it makes sense that 90% of games (if that's true?) have white main characters, because that is the majority market. I am speaking from a business standpoint, I have no personal concerns over what race characters are and I don't really care one way or another (if a game is good, not inappropriate, has a good story, and is fun then I generally enjoy it).

Regarding females, while they have half of the population how much of the gaming population do they have? Again, I don't care what race or male/female they are.



He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.



Sony should just say he's Hispanic. That's a character I could relate with, a Hispanic people assume is a white male.



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CosmicSex said:
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a white guy and assumed the worse. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.



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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

You're confusing real life with how someone chooses to consume entertainment and their personal feelings about it. Whoever wrote the article is tired of generic scruffy white dude in their games. Entirely irrelevant to how they feel about races in every day life. Furthermore I think the fact that this is a game featuring a biker just adds to that fatigue. It's extremely rare in media that you see a biker who isn't some scruffy white dude. It happens, but very rare. Also, outrage and outrage culture are not the same thing. You saw a comment about race and it triggered you into making this thread, and you did so without giving the article deeper thought, you assumed they were just bitching about representation. That's outrage culture at its finest.


morenoingrato said:
Kerotan said:

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

Man, those must be some lousy vacations if you find time to create and respond to this thread.

Gotta say, that is pretty weird. When I go on vacation I unplug. To each their own though.



Mr Puggsly said:
CosmicSex said:
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a generic scruffy breaded white guy and assumed he would be like many other generic scruffy bearded protagonists and was pleasantly surprised that they added depth to his character. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.

Fixed for you. 



There's only 2 races: White and 'Political Agenda'
2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

0D0 said:
Regardless, I reckon nobody's allowed to say "yet another Black character" in any circumstance whatsoever without being called racist. Even on the right context, there are certain criticisms that can only be said about white people.

Yesterday on Twitter I saw I tweet saying something like "only shitty white males like it". I wonder if we can tweet something like "only shitty black males like it" without being called the police upon.

This a great way to test if something is racist or sexist. Replace white for any other race. Or put female in for male. If it sounds horrible to you after doing that, the original comment was racist/sexist.

Mr Puggsly said: 
CosmicSex said: 
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point. 
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a white guy and assumed the worse. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.

Exactly. He just saw a white dude and assumed the worst. If the character was any other race, this guy wouldn't have said a thing about that, even though it changes the way the character is represented from ads none whatsoever 



LuccaCardoso1 said:
He didn't roll his eyes because the character's male or because the character's white. He rolled his eyes because the character looks just like a ton of other protagonists out there, who just happen to be white, male and gruff. It has nothing to do with "reverse racism" or any political agenda you might be trying to imply here, but instead with the sameyness in the appearence of video game protagonists.

said what I was thinking.  people will still be outraged tho I'm sure