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gergroy said:
Who comments on YouTube videos anyways?

Pedophiles!

But seriously, the internet is a community man. Its where all the worst people in the world can get together and masturbate.



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haxxiy said:
Comments on YouTube and news websites should be banned and forgotten.

It might seem ironic to say such a thing in an online forum, but user-generated content in the internet is very often an abysmal failure.

If some channels are having a significant problem with pedo viewers or inappropriate comments, then it seems like the easiest solution is allowing the creator to limit who can post or comments have to be approved. I'm not sure if that feature exist on YouTube but its not a new idea.

This isn't a problem for all videos on YouTube.



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Mr Puggsly said:
haxxiy said:
Comments on YouTube and news websites should be banned and forgotten.

It might seem ironic to say such a thing in an online forum, but user-generated content in the internet is very often an abysmal failure.

If some channels are having a significant problem with pedo viewers or inappropriate comments, then it seems like the easiest solution is allowing the creator to limit who can post or comments have to be approved. I'm not sure if that feature exist on YouTube but its not a new idea.

This isn't a problem for all videos on YouTube.

True enough. There are plenty of videos where the viewers behave well, but sadly those seem to be a minority. The demographics of the internet as a whole might be different, more older and female nowadays, but most of people who comment are still young males spreading memes, edginess and fake news. One merely needs to see which are the most popular YouTube channels to have an idea of the kind of people who are more likely to engage in user-generated content.

 



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

If some channels are having a significant problem with pedo viewers or inappropriate comments, then it seems like the easiest solution is allowing the creator to limit who can post or comments have to be approved. I'm not sure if that feature exist on YouTube but its not a new idea.

This isn't a problem for all videos on YouTube.

True enough. There are plenty of videos where the viewers behave well, but sadly those seem to be a minority. The demographics of the internet as a whole might be different, more older and female nowadays, but most of people who comment are still young males spreading memes, edginess and fake news. One merely needs to see which are the most popular YouTube channels to have an idea of the kind of people who are more likely to engage in user-generated content.

 

Most people posting comments are not trolls, you're just hyper focused on a vocal minority. If that was the case everybody on YouTube would just disable comments.

I do notice news websites and videos have exceptionally "toxic" posters. But stuff like that tends to bring the worst out of people in general. Our media actually picks sides on how it wants to tell the news so its become a team sport.



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Two suggested alternate titles for this thread:

1. Pedophiles are ruining Youtube.
2. Youtube (management) is ruining Youtube.

A simple solution would be to remove the users leaving these comments but I guess that just makes too much damn sense!

As for comments on Youtube in general, the quality of the commenters depends on the video content. Go from the comment section of a rap music video, to a generic #1 trending video, to a gaming walkthrough, to a political video, to a "how to" tech related video, to a comedy gaming channel and you'll the difference for yourself. But ya know, let's generalize literally millions of people across the globe and call for censorship ignoring the irony of us voicing our dissent via comments ourselves!

Ok, mini-rant over.

EDIT: Puggsly's most recent comment wasn't there when I first started this post and I'd argue his comment is a much better and reasonably articulated (and less salty) version of mine so well done Mr. Puggs!



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StriderKiwi said:

Two suggested alternate titles for this thread:

1. Pedophiles are ruining Youtube.
2. Youtube (management) is ruining Youtube.

A simple solution would be to remove the users leaving these comments but I guess that just makes too much damn sense!

As for comments on Youtube in general, the quality of the commenters depends on the video content. Go from the comment section of a rap music video, to a generic #1 trending video, to a gaming walkthrough, to a political video, to a "how to" tech related video, to a comedy gaming channel and you'll the difference for yourself. But ya know, let's generalize literally millions of people across the globe and call for censorship ignoring the irony of us voicing our dissent via comments ourselves!

Ok, mini-rant over.

EDIT: Puggsly's most recent comment wasn't there when I first started this post and I'd argue his comment is a much better and reasonably articulated (and less salty) version of mine so well done Mr. Puggs!

But for those people it is also simple to just make another account and just make the same kind of comments.

Also youtube is so big that it needs to be moderated by bots and those are currently imperfect,manual moderation does exist but it oversees too much and would be too costly to build out to a point it is efficient.



They need to tie the kid accounts to parent accounts so that the parents can monitor comments themselves. That way they can have grown up talks about internet trolls and evil people or they can choose to have comments disabled themselves or report malicious activity. These kids need the positive comments they receive too. They are often needing an identity outside their regular life and YouTube is a great platform for that development. Disabling comments isn't the best solution. They could make timecodes prohibited on those accounts as well.



Rogerioandrade said:
People are not just ruining youtube.... people are ruining social media in general.

I have a good friend, or ahem, an Uncle who works there that often says....

"People are not just ruining [culture].... people are ruining [civilization] in general."

~ Adding to a quote that registered.  :)



Immersiveunreality said:
StriderKiwi said:

Two suggested alternate titles for this thread:

1. Pedophiles are ruining Youtube.
2. Youtube (management) is ruining Youtube.

A simple solution would be to remove the users leaving these comments but I guess that just makes too much damn sense!

As for comments on Youtube in general, the quality of the commenters depends on the video content. Go from the comment section of a rap music video, to a generic #1 trending video, to a gaming walkthrough, to a political video, to a "how to" tech related video, to a comedy gaming channel and you'll the difference for yourself. But ya know, let's generalize literally millions of people across the globe and call for censorship ignoring the irony of us voicing our dissent via comments ourselves!

Ok, mini-rant over.

EDIT: Puggsly's most recent comment wasn't there when I first started this post and I'd argue his comment is a much better and reasonably articulated (and less salty) version of mine so well done Mr. Puggs!

But for those people it is also simple to just make another account and just make the same kind of comments.

Also youtube is so big that it needs to be moderated by bots and those are currently imperfect,manual moderation does exist but it oversees too much and would be too costly to build out to a point it is efficient.

I absolutely agree that it wouldn't entirely fix the issue but at least it would show that Youtube is taking action, and the type that makes the most sense. If they proliferate the idea that activists can point to unsavory commenters on videos, and Youtube will respond by removing the commenting option, it will be further abused and the content creators will suffer for no wrongdoing of their own (the guy who found the pedo comments was salty because he couldn't get his Youtube "career" off the ground even when doing weird videos of harassing random women. Tim Pool did a video on it).

My personal opinion is that this whole "police the internet" idea that's catching on is the new "The US needs foreign intervention to reduce dictatorships and oppression of the foreign populace" and will have roughly the same result. Not even drones bots can solve this problem without innocents being punished.

I realize to some the comment sections of Youtube and other sites are irrelevant or largely frowned upon but there's clearly a modest swath of individuals who want to voice their opinions who don't deserve to be silenced (pedophilia not withstanding), and my argument would be that removing this channel to voice one's opinion will lead to further problems in what is an already divided "society".



From what I've seen, Youtube are closing comments on entire channels that have nothing to do with kids. If a channel has one particular focus but maybe the owner is a parent and occasionally has their children in a handful of videos out of thousands, then the whole channel gets comments shut down, videos get demonetised and removed from suggested videos. Slowly killing off channels, sources of income and entertainment.