I continue to believe you missed my point, or I was not clear enough.    There are cases where the CPU is also stressed by higher res(in some scenarios); more geometry, details, draw distance, same frate rate at a higher res(in some scenarios), higher frame rate, and so many other things are also stressing the CPU.   So, if you have an adequate CPU in order to build a balanced "Lockhart", you absolutely need a faster CPU inside "Anaconda" together with more RAM and more memory bandwidth, unless you want your very expensive Elite SKU bottleneckED by the CPU.  It's enough you have the same CPU architecture with different clock speed. Easy as that.   

Then, I'm not sure why that video I linked shows no impact on CPU if these things are a significant draw at higher resolutions... Anyway, I feel we're both shooting from the hip a bit as neither of us seems to be an expert on this stuff...

I guess we'll just wait & see what actually comes out, if there's 2 skus - how they'll compare and whether we hear noise from developers about how the top sku is hamstrung by the value one.

Time will tell ;)

I wasn´t talking about this conversation, I was talking about 3 or 4 posts before about what people do in their day to day job and how risky it is. 

Yeah, that video clarify some basic concepts, it's well done, but it doesn't cover all scenarios and it doesn't go deep into details.  I'm not an expert either, but I like this kind of discussion, 'cause the most expert might clarify a lot of things.

 This is just a speculation/leaks/rumors Thread, where we can discuss about what we can expect from Next Gen :)

  Destination Playstation is happening right now, from what I heard, let's see if something comes out.

I have probably answered this question like 4 times in this thread.

The answer is an emphatic YES.

As long as the CPU is the same, RAM isn't reduced by say more than 30% and the only real difference is the GPU then you literally can have the exact same game in every shape and form but it will run at a lower rez. This is no different from someone buying a GTX1080 GPU and someone else going with a 1060. 

If their target is t have a 1080p machine and a 4k machine.... you will not see a difference other than the rez if done right. Hell if done "too" right the 1080p machine may even be the better performing machine (well with regards to framerates)

I mean there will be a few ther differences eg, lower rez textures, lower LOD, dialed dwn assets or effects....etc. But thse are not things that impact hw a ame is designed.

Thanks - I did read your reply in regards to scalability but thought that was aimed at the principle of a lower sku overall (incl. CPU).

It's also possible that in 46 pages of comments I missed it :)

So it seems we're in agreement - appreciate the input - now it's just a case of waiting and seeing exactly what gets released!

It's more than feasible. The GPU is probably the largest part you can cut back for that though.

I think the difficult part about it will be comparisons between the next gen base machine and the Xbox One X, that might give Microsoft an uphill battle.

Would these rumored specs for the base machine just be a modest improvement over One X?

GPU compute wise... It will be a regression. CPU wise it will be an 8-10x increase. Ram wise... Well. That's a big step up there too.

However... The thing we need to keep in mind is that the Xbox One X generally sinks the bulk of it's performance into ramping up framerates and resolutions... A base machine with inferior specifications but operates at 1080P is likely to spend the majority of it's resources on improving the effects that are in a game instead.

The Xbox One X has a crossbar memory controller as well, which isn't 1:1 with the ROPS, so during intensive memory transactions the Xbox One X's memory bandwidth is probably a bit lower than the numbers would otherwise imply.

The games will show an increase with the base machine, even with a GPU that has "less flops". - But mostly because it's backed by significantly better components than the Xbox One X and a more modern GPU that is far more efficient.

The thing with the Xbox One X is that it's GPU is Polaris derived with technologies still based in even older derivatives of Graphics Core Next... The next gen machine is likely to implement things like Primitive Shaders and Draw Stream Binning Rasterization as a base feature set, so some of the biggest bottlenecks in the Graphics Core Next GPU architecture is likely to be significantly alleviated, so the next gen machines should punch above their weight... It's still not going to have nVidia/High-End levels of performance though, but it should be "Good enough" with some luck.

But until we actually have some solid details about Navi and how it deviates from Vega and actual legitimate numbers about the hardware specifications of the next gen consoles, then it's all just hypothesizing at this point.

I just heard CGI groan from the other side of the planet.

I very much disagree... Ray Tracing is the future... We have seen a small inkling of what that path entails with Battlefield 5 and Metro.

There is simply no way next-gen will see a dramatic increase in graphics. We can expect next-gen gpus to be about 50-100% faster than Xbox One X. Compare that to radeon 7850 (PS4 Gpu) to X800XL (Xbox 360 Gpu), the PS4 gpu is 9,9x faster according to gaming benchmarks I checked a few months ago.

People need to keep expection in check, if you played Far cry 5, Red dead redemption 2 or Battlefront 2 on Xbox one X you will see slightly more polished version of those games.

I don't agree with Ray-tracing either, for most people I think ray-tracing will just look different than normal light effects, not better.