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Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 24 30.00%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 13 16.25%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 21 26.25%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 12.50%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 6.25%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 7 8.75%
 
Total:80
Mr Puggsly on 14 February 2019
Pemalite said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

I disagree HDD is causing the sluggish UI. However, I have suggested they should put a 64GB - 128GB SSD on the motherboard to handle all the OS functions and perhaps cache. In theory that should speed things up but I don't think it would much, I still blame CPU and optimization primarily.

I disagree that it's just the CPU.
In the PS4 Pro's case I noticed an increase in system general responsiveness with an SSD.

Granted Microsoft has done an amazing job in hiding the latency deficit with the 5400rpm drives, but at the end of the day... An SSD is still an SSD with 1-2ms response times verses a 5400rpm mechanical disks 15-20ms.

Well that's a straw man, I never said it was just the CPU responsible for the slow UI. But I certainly feel that's the primary culprit of UI freezing for short periods, slowly moving to different screens, loading stuff in, etc. Essentially, I would like to see the Xbox UI as fast and responsive as Windows and it doesn't require a SSD for that.



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lansingone on 14 February 2019

I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.



thismeintiel on 14 February 2019
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

I mean Navi will still be AMD tech, with Sony not holding any rights to it, so it will be used in other devices. However, I do agree with you. Considering it was rumored that Sony is working with AMD closely on the Navi GPU, I would imagine they would have some kind of agreement that they get dibs on it in the home console market. At least in the beginning of the gen.



 

Intrinsic on 14 February 2019
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:

I tried.... my DBZ force is very rusty.... i probably should have used hokage's instead.

Haha no problem........what the hell is a hokage though?

Blasphemy.......

Naruto.



zorg1000 on 14 February 2019
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

Haha no problem........what the hell is a hokage though?

Blasphemy.......

Naruto.

I'm sorry lol my anime knowledge is basically Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan and as a kid, Digimon & Pokemon.



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Intrinsic on 14 February 2019
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

Honestly.... it stems from nothing more than the existence of the XB1X.

Microsoft and leaks have confirmed that MS is working on multiple skus, but they haven't come out and said we will have the most powerful console on the market come launch. Everyone is just concluding that MS will d that because f what MS did with the XB1X. 

I tend to disagree though. Mostly because I believe that MS and sony are going to get a very very similar APU. Pretty much identical with the option to have a slightly cut down version. Its not like MS is going to wait fr sony to release the PS4 then g t AMD and say ok.... they have 72CU in their GPU, we want one with 100. The differences in power will come from clock speeds.  

What I really don't get is why people think MS will even dare come in at a price or option higher than the PS5. 



lansingone on 15 February 2019
Intrinsic said:
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

Honestly.... it stems from nothing more than the existence of the XB1X.

Microsoft and leaks have confirmed that MS is working on multiple skus, but they haven't come out and said we will have the most powerful console on the market come launch. Everyone is just concluding that MS will d that because f what MS did with the XB1X. 

I tend to disagree though. Mostly because I believe that MS and sony are going to get a very very similar APU. Pretty much identical with the option to have a slightly cut down version. Its not like MS is going to wait fr sony to release the PS4 then g t AMD and say ok.... they have 72CU in their GPU, we want one with 100. The differences in power will come from clock speeds.  

What I really don't get is why people think MS will even dare come in at a price or option higher than the PS5. 

I agree. I think after XB1 they'll be playing every aspect of this launch safe.

I do think that unlike the start of this gen, the hardware inside will be slightly different, because AMD seems more inclined to make custom chips than before. If those previous leaks are to believed, I expect PS5 to have a Navi GPU with whatever additions Sony needed, and MS will have a pretty much equally powerful Vega based GPU. 



Trumpstyle on 15 February 2019
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

Because we had 2 reliable sources (Brad sams and Windowscentral) telling us Microsoft will launch next-gen with 2 skus. So most are expecting a 300$ and 500$ console from microsoft next-gen. We can't be sure what exactly Sony is doing but I think they will stick with one 400$ console only.

So we will probably have a similiar situation that we have now with PS4 pro and Xbox one X. The 500$ console will easily win in performance, this way Microsoft can have both the cheapest and the most powerful console next-gen.



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Otter on 15 February 2019
Intrinsic said:
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

Honestly.... it stems from nothing more than the existence of the XB1X.

Microsoft and leaks have confirmed that MS is working on multiple skus, but they haven't come out and said we will have the most powerful console on the market come launch. Everyone is just concluding that MS will d that because f what MS did with the XB1X. 

I tend to disagree though. Mostly because I believe that MS and sony are going to get a very very similar APU. Pretty much identical with the option to have a slightly cut down version. Its not like MS is going to wait fr sony to release the PS4 then g t AMD and say ok.... they have 72CU in their GPU, we want one with 100. The differences in power will come from clock speeds.  

What I really don't get is why people think MS will even dare come in at a price or option higher than the PS5. 

Because they will have a cheap entry point system to complement it.



Nate4Drake on 15 February 2019
Trumpstyle said:
lansingone said:
I know this is all speculation at this point, but what is the reason for all the speculation of MS using a higher end Navi GPU? Just last year we had somewhat reliable information that Navi was being made for Sony.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#3003276024fd
If that was still the case I would think it's unlikely that MS would be able to just ask AMD for the GPU they're making for the PS5, but faster.
I've noticed a lot of recent speculation has settled around MS having a faster version of Navi, and I was curious why.

Because we had 2 reliable sources (Brad sams and Windowscentral) telling us Microsoft will launch next-gen with 2 skus. So most are expecting a 300$ and 500$ console from microsoft next-gen. We can't be sure what exactly Sony is doing but I think they will stick with one 400$ console only.

So we will probably have a similiar situation that we have now with PS4 pro and Xbox one X. The 500$ console will easily win in performance, this way Microsoft can have both the cheapest and the most powerful console next-gen.

Sony will never let this happen.  If only one SKU will be released, I doubt it will cost $399, and I doubt Sony would release a system 50% less powerful than "Anaconda" at the beginning of Next Gen.     I'm still wondering what kind of solution Sony will adopt, in response to MS two SKUs strategy.



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