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abronn627 on 05 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
abronn627 said:

The Wii was launched at 250$, what you’re referring to is the second price cut that Zorg mentioned.

The wii was launched with two different skus, the most common one was $249, but they also sold one, at launch, for $199. So when they made their most expensive model $199, that wasn't a price drop, they just added value to the $199 launch price.

The Wii had only one sku at launch, the white design and that’s it. 

Edit: Saw your edit to your original post. 

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potato_hamster on 05 February 2019
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

The first official price cut for the Wii was on May 15th 2011.

https://www.engadget.com/2011/05/04/nintendo-drops-wii-price-to-150-from-may-15th-throws-in-a-free/

They had it on sale before that, but that's the first time it's MSRP was changed from $199 on release to $149.

Well that's not true at all and a 30 second Google search would have told you that.

And I'm assuming you agree with my other points since you didnt refute any of them.

I made an edit. I fucked up the price. Sorry about that. I think I was thinking of the WIi U launching with two skus. Either way, I was super wrong.

If you want to pull a Rol and assume that anyone that stops arguing your points must be conceding and agree with you, well that's your choice.

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zorg1000 on 05 February 2019
potato_hamster said:


If you want to pull a Rol and assume that anyone that stops arguing your points must be conceding and agree with you, well that's your choice.

I just find it kind of rude. We were having a debate and Im a person who puts time and effort (and when necessary do research and provide data) into my replies and to just have my points ignored for seemingly no reason means I just wasted my time.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

potato_hamster on 06 February 2019
zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:


If you want to pull a Rol and assume that anyone that stops arguing your points must be conceding and agree with you, well that's your choice.

I just find it kind of rude. We were having a debate and Im a person who puts time and effort (and when necessary do research and provide data) into my replies and to just have my points ignored for seemingly no reason means I just wasted my time.

I didn't mean any disrespect or rudeness. We were just going in circles and talking over each other. it's clear you're convinced of your pespective as I am of mine. You're convinced that Nintendo's current library and future offerings will carry its momentum forward and I'm not so sure about that. You don't seem to be actually giving my points much consideration, so I don't see the point of continuing this back and forth, and the one thing I did think was worth addressing, I totally messed up.

So after that bit of egg on my face, I just don't see the point of continuing. Sorry man.



zorg1000 on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

I just find it kind of rude. We were having a debate and Im a person who puts time and effort (and when necessary do research and provide data) into my replies and to just have my points ignored for seemingly no reason means I just wasted my time.

I didn't mean any disrespect or rudeness. We were just going in circles and talking over each other. it's clear you're convinced of your pespective as I am of mine. You're convinced that Nintendo's current library and future offerings will carry its momentum forward and I'm not so sure about that. You don't seem to be actually giving my points much consideration, so I don't see the point of continuing this back and forth, and the one thing I did think was worth addressing, I totally messed up.

So after that bit of egg on my face, I just don't see the point of continuing. Sorry man.

No problem, and I understand where you're coming from and you're right, there were a few points you made that I glossed over. I try replying to all points but sometimes with long posts I miss a few.



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Miyamotoo on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

I dont see how Wii has anything with this? Games I mentioned are not shovelware at all. Games that I mentioned are quality titles. More games makes platform more attractive in any case, that espacily goes when we talk about good and quality titles (even if they are old ports), not to mentioned Nintendo and exclusive Switch games.

Pls stop moving goal posts, you also keep saying things that I never said, stop doing that if you want to have normal discusion, I never said even nearly anything similar like "great system selling games" for any game that I mentioned. I said that for some people games that I mentioned because full handheld mode are big deal, and those are kind of people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games can push them to buy Switch, same like this "Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games (despite good part of them are old ports), and that Switch 3rd party support is incrasing in any case". You have problem realising that some people because full handheld mode can be intrested about some 3rd party games even they played them before, also dont act that every person played every older game in any case. Real word is "better" than last year, not little less poor, lol.

Reality is that no one ever said that Switch (or any other Ninetndo platform) can or have same 3rd party support like other platforms, so its pointles to compare that support with PS4/XB1, and thats why people more comparing 3rd party support with past Nintendo systems. So its not point about free pass at all, when someone say that Switch has good 3rd party support for Nintendo system. Fact is that when Switch or any other platform has more games and more diverse games (yes, that counts old ports and Indies, not just AAA current gen games), means lineup of that platform is more apealing and that lead to more desairible product and better sales. I wouldnt be woried about Switch momentum on your place, Switch in 2018. sold more than it did in 2017. and in 2019. will sell more than it did in 2018.

The more we speak the more I'm convinced that your biggest problem is your reading comprehension or your understanding of English. You missed all of my points entirely  even though they were very clearly laid out for you, and then you accused me of "moving the goalposts, and arguing against points you never made" by literally making the same point I've been making over and over in different ways to try and get through to you, and then you argue against points I never made.

This is pointless to continue, so I won't.

For instance, one thing is sure, I never said "great system selling games" like you pointed.



DonFerrari on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:
DonFerrari said:

Seems like on the quartely report over 40% of the revenue on SW were from third parties, which is quite high on Nintendo platform.

So that means that 60% of their revenue came from a dozen or so games vs hundreds if not over a thousand third party games. Like seriously list third party games that have sold over a million copies on Switch. There's Mincraft, Skyrim, Octopath Traveller... and that's it according to VGChartz. Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?

In all seriousness, the only growth I'm seeing in third party sales in the Switch is in small indie titles, and while that's a great thing, no one is going out and buying Switch to play Golf Story the same way they're buying a Switch to play Smash Bros.

Yes, but it points to a much better situation than on previous systems.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

potato_hamster on 06 February 2019

 

DonFerrari said:
potato_hamster said:

So that means that 60% of their revenue came from a dozen or so games vs hundreds if not over a thousand third party games. Like seriously list third party games that have sold over a million copies on Switch. There's Mincraft, Skyrim, Octopath Traveller... and that's it according to VGChartz. Now I know they don't count digital sales, but in honestly there can't be more than what? 6-8 games?

In all seriousness, the only growth I'm seeing in third party sales in the Switch is in small indie titles, and while that's a great thing, no one is going out and buying Switch to play Golf Story the same way they're buying a Switch to play Smash Bros.

Yes, but it points to a much better situation than on previous systems.

I've already addressed that idea, multiple times.

No one is arguing against the idea that the third party support on the Switch is better than the Wii U and the Wii in some ways. In fact I state it explicitly in the post you responded to, and in other posts. That still doesn't mean the Switch is getting good or even passable third party support. It just means it's better than the terrible support other recent Nintendo consoles received.



potato_hamster on 06 February 2019

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all.

Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

The more we speak the more I'm convinced that your biggest problem is your reading comprehension or your understanding of English. You missed all of my points entirely  even though they were very clearly laid out for you, and then you accused me of "moving the goalposts, and arguing against points you never made" by literally making the same point I've been making over and over in different ways to try and get through to you, and then you argue against points I never made.

This is pointless to continue, so I won't.

For instance, one thing is sure, I never said "great system selling games" like you pointed.

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all, and I mean at a fundamental level. I'm clearly paraphrasing what you're saying unless when you said and I do quote that the Switch has "some great and diverse 3rd party games" (your words) that "push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples" (again your words).  You're acting like it's ridiculous to summarize such comments as "great system selling games", when I'm sure most would agree that is perfectly reasonable.

If that's the stand you want to make and accuse me of misrepresenting your points by doing as such, I have no interest in any further conversations with you on this topic or any other. It's a waste of my time.



Miyamotoo on 06 February 2019
potato_hamster said:

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all.

Miyamotoo said:

For instance, one thing is sure, I never said "great system selling games" like you pointed.

The fact that you keep harping on this phrase means you don't understand what I'm saying at all, and I mean at a fundamental level. I'm clearly paraphrasing what you're saying unless when you said and I do quote that the Switch has "some great and diverse 3rd party games" (your words) that "push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples" (again your words).  You're acting like it's ridiculous to summarize such comments as "great system selling games", when I'm sure most would agree that is perfectly reasonable.

If that's the stand you want to make and accuse me of misrepresenting your points by doing as such, I have no interest in any further conversations with you on this topic or any other. It's a waste of my time.

No you changing what I said to fit your narrative. And yes, its totally ridiculous to go from "Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games" (you are free to use hole quote not just part to fit your agenda) and "you have people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch", and summarize that in "great system selling games". I mean, if I said its good game, you would probably summarize that like I said "best game ever".

I accusing you with every right, I have clear proof, I never said nothing even close that could be summarized like "great system selling games".